[tccrockets] Re: Some suggestions on our web presence.
- From: James Dougherty <jafrado@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: TCC chat <tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:42:16 -0700
We can always make things better :-)
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Norm Newlon <nnewlon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I didn't mean to seem negative. I'm all for having a spruced up web site,
> including better integration with social media. I was just adding my noise
> to the rabble, so that those of you doing the work on the site are aware
> that there are a few Luddites present.
>
> I also don't use Twitter, and I generally refrain from sending pictures of
> my genitals to complete strangers, so I guess I'm just not trendy.
>
> But I do appreciate the site, and all the effort that folks contribute to
> keep it up to date and useful.
>
> -Norm
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Chris Attebery <
> chrisattebery1971@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Norm,
>>
>> I understand the anti-facebook stance. All I'm suggesting is that the
>> existing tccrockets web page be simplified and cleaned up so that the
>> existing email, launch sign up and T Shirt sign up list are easier to find.
>> I have seen a lot of questions on where to find these links on the email
>> list and on TRF.
>>
>> I think that the existing mailing list and facebook page can be separate
>> but equal. The email list is great for in depth discussions. The Facebook
>> page is a better place to share photos. I don't think anyone wants 60+
>> pictures posted to the email list. I also think the existing Facebook page
>> could be a bit more usable. That's all.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Norm Newlon <nnewlon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> No Jimmy, you are not the only TCC flier who does not use Facebook.
>>>
>>> I hope that the TCC web site is not "improved" so much that it is no
>>> longer usable by the non-Facebook crowd!
>>>
>>> -Norm Newlon
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Jimmy Franco <Aldocyber3@xxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not use Facebook,
>>>> and do not plan on using it within the short term future.
>>>> This will add to this discussion...
>>>> Not sure if TCC is 99.9% FB users or not,
>>>> maybe I am the .1%???
>>>> I have enough s#!+ to follow at work without adding
>>>> something that I do for fun.
>>>> I don’t want to have my nose pointed at my phone all the time
>>>> and it seems to me that is what happens when people become FB users.
>>>> TCC Chat works for me. And I know there is a wealth of amenities that
>>>> come
>>>> with FB but really not that interested in it.
>>>> But I am just a old grouchy man [image: Smile]
>>>> Just kidding and sorry for the rant, but just giving some input on this
>>>> subject.
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy F.
>>>> TRA 12524
>>>>
>>>> *From:* James Dougherty <jafrado@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:19 PM
>>>> *To:* TCC chat <tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *Subject:* [tccrockets] Re: Some suggestions on our web presence.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Chris,
>>>>
>>>> 1. Just "Like" the page and you will get notifications. For the sidebar
>>>> link, I was planning an app for that (it can also show you who is online
>>>> for example and you can do chat as needed). We can certainly add a TCC app
>>>> (if you're up for the challenge) but the Group page would mean we'd have
>>>> little to do with the Insights feature (for example Insights showed me the
>>>> #1 thing people like is pictures/photos to keep engagement, video top of
>>>> the list. So yes, we can add a group, but the App is the best way to do
>>>> this (and we have our own app id). Finally, we do have the mail chat to
>>>> discuss and we'd like to keep our discussions on our chat (and some people
>>>> don't use FB). If we move all of this to FB then some people just won't
>>>> participate - so finding the balance is key. Having an app FYI could also
>>>> post FB messages to our chat (which keeps everyone informed) so the app is
>>>> probably the best technology for this... do you or Sean want to sign up for
>>>> an FB app?
>>>>
>>>> 2. We can fix that (again an app can change the layout as well).
>>>>
>>>> 3. Our current total reach (from Insights) is already over 2500
>>>> people! We have to be careful to distinguish between members and reach -
>>>> members are people who post (like on our page or on our chat list) - reach
>>>> is the transitive closure of that (friend of friends). This is how we got
>>>> all the additional people and this is also how we get more people to the
>>>> launches (it worked well as we can see we have more flyers and
>>>> spectators)... it does get the word out.
>>>>
>>>> -James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Chris Attebery <
>>>> chrisattebery1971@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The main differences that I see are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I have to search for Tripoli Central California when I want to see
>>>>> the TCC page. There isn't a quick link on the side bar like the other
>>>>> rocketry groups I follow. I can also see when when someone posts to a
>>>>> group
>>>>> by looking at the sidebar.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. When I go to a group page I can see all of the posts to that group
>>>>> immediately. On the TCC page you have to click on the "Posts to page" to
>>>>> see other members posts. It's more obscure and less user friendly.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. The NAR group has over 2500 members. I don't think we'll ever
>>>>> exceed that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From your link:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Usually the main reason for having a Facebook Group is to have a
>>>>> place where you *encourage discussion* among the members of the
>>>>> group. Facebook Groups are for community building within the members.
>>>>> They are a great place to have people ask questions that the group will
>>>>> discuss."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Dougherty <jafrado@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI, I spoke to some of my friends at Facebook. They checked out I
>>>>>> setup the TCC Pages and it has a dedicated application ID.
>>>>>> The open group has a lot more limitations, especially from the
>>>>>> insights functionality. Also, groups are limited in how many members
>>>>>> you can have and the ability to post messages. Is there some
>>>>>> functionality missing from the current TCC Page? Let me know; we have
>>>>>> the technology! Also, what can you not post to FB - you should be
>>>>>> able to (facebook.tcom/tccrockets)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, lots of folks on the TCC chat come from FB ... I've had over 40
>>>>>> new members in the last month!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some stats below:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Chris Attebery <
>>>>>> chrisattebery1971@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First off, please take all of my comments as CONSTRUCTIVE
>>>>>>> criticism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First off, are we looking to grow the club? That's an honest
>>>>>>> question. It seems to me that TCC is in the Goldilocks zone right now,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> too small, but not so big that the core members can't enjoy the launches
>>>>>>> too. I've been to ROC launches where you were lucky to get more than one
>>>>>>> flight a day. LUNAR's Moffett launches are like that too. October Skies
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> a great launch and part of what made it great was the fact that while
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> was a constant flow of rockets being launched there didn't seem to be a
>>>>>>> line to get on the pads for most of the weekend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we're looking to get the word out and grow the club I have a
>>>>>>> couple suggestions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. I see a lot of questions on TRF about TCC's launches. David Robb,
>>>>>>> myself and a couple others try to fill in the blanks, but maybe we
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> try to make some official announcements there when we can. I'd be happy
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> handle it. I think TRF will attract more fliers than any other source.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> people there are already rocketeers and they have a strong membership.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Can we change the Facebook page from an entity to a group like
>>>>>>> AeroPAC, LUNAR and ROC have? I think it would generate more interest if
>>>>>>> prospective members could ask questions and current members posted
>>>>>>> pictures
>>>>>>> and discussed their projects there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. I've seen a lot of comments that people don't seem to be able to
>>>>>>> find the information they are looking for on the tccrockets website.
>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> are a ton of links on the main page and I think it could be more
>>>>>>> intuitive.
>>>>>>> I'm not a web designer, but I'd be willing to take a crack at updating
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let the beatings begin...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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