OK Steve: Somewhere in the process of going through all my e-mails for the day I lost yours on what all you had done to the brakes. But, basically do what Denis said. But you do not have to have a lift. If you put on a new master cylinder did you bench blead it? I always do. If you didn't you can bench bleed it while installed by removing the brake light sender, having someone depress the pedal. place you finger over the hole, let them release the pedal, repeat. Do this a couple of times and you will have the MC bled. Order of bleeding brakes is right rear, left rear, right front, left front. Also, make sure the resevoir always has fluid. Don't let it run dry while bleeding. That's all I can add to what Denis said. Other than that you may have the problem with cylinders as mentioned. I have gotten cylinders before that the line would not seat in. But in my case they would leak fluid; but if they are the problem they may just be sucking enough air in that you never get fluid to them in the first place. --- On Tue, 9/27/11, Steve Chamberlain <steveraychamberlain@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Steve Chamberlain <steveraychamberlain@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] hey ya'll brake question To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 12:49 PM OK Dennis I hope you got your brakes stoping. Are there any tricks that I'm missing in bleeding? I replaced rear wheel cylindes and shoes all the way around on Tylers '65 bus. I can't get them to bleed out. Suggestions?