[tcb] Re: What is Wrong With My Bus?
- From: Ken <dblcab67@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:20:35 -0600
Fred, you have to " read" the wiring diagram. If you don't already have a color
wiring print then get one. By following the color stripes on the wire back from
the 9 pin to the fuse box and from the 9 pin to light bulb it's supposed to
power is all you should need. Don't forget to triple check all your grounds.
Sent by pure magic
On Jan 16, 2011, at 7:43 PM, "Fred McDonald" <texasbluebus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks Denis,
> I do have the correct schematic, I just wish I could find an explanation for
> each pin on the flasher unit and how they interact for different functions.
> The only obvious pins are Power from the fuse panel and to the 4 way flasher
> knob.
>
> From: Denis Dodson
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 6:08 PM
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tcb] Re: What is Wrong With My Bus?
>
> Yea. I win.
>
>
>
> Make sure that you are using the correct schematic. On the Samba is a US
> schematic and a Euro one. I have made the mistake of trying to use the wrong
> one.
>
>
>
> From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Fred McDonald
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 3:29 PM
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tcb] Re: What is Wrong With My Bus?
>
>
>
> Ok here’s the latest,
>
> Tried to start the bus this morning (it’s a little cold outside) bus will not
> start.
>
> Checked the points, gap is a little tight but there is a gap, removed points,
> they’re a little burned but not badly, the plastic piece that rests against
> the cam is worn.
>
> Replaced points with new, ( I know I should have done this when I changed
> rotor & cap)
>
> Bus starts, I let it warm up and drive to store about two miles away. Two
> stop signs on the way and no problems.
>
> Start the bus up and go home, same two stop signs and a few speed bumps, no
> problems.
>
> I will have to venture away from home a little further before I’m comfortable
> but the problem seems to be fixed.
>
> I points over carburetor because like Dennis said “points are easier than
> carb” also I didn’t seem to have any problems flooding the engine when the
> motor wouldn’t start.
>
> I have not replaced the condenser yet, It’s a real pain to change, it’s
> difficult to get to the screw and from experience it’s failure rate is very
> low.
>
> Dennis goes to the head of the class!
>
>
>
> On another subject,
>
> 1966 & 1/2 through 1967 the bus is 12 volt. The brake light, turn signal & 4
> way flashers all work on one bulb.
>
> Everything goes through the flasher unit and turn signal control arm.
>
> The Flasher unit was only manufactured for this period, 1966 and earlier 6
> volt is different and much simpler and in 1968 a new design was used.
>
> My right brake light isn’t working, the right rear turn signal does work and
> when I turn on the 4 way flasher, the right rear light doesn’t work.
>
> There is a coalition between the 4 way flasher and brake light but not the
> turn signals.
>
> There are I think 9 wires connected to the flasher unit and the unit grounds
> to the body of the bus for a negative ground.
>
> I have been tinkering with the connectors & wires and if I get the right rear
> light to flash with the 4 way flashers on, the brake light works.
>
> I’ll put the kick panel back on and recheck the light and it stops working.
> (this is driving me nuts)
>
> I have a wiring schematic showing the routing of the wiring & color codes for
> each wire but I can’t find and explanation for each connector on the flasher
> unit.
>
> A working original flasher unit is a rare item, Is there a modern replacement
> for this genus German design!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: chuck blue
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:53 PM
>
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Subject: [tcb] Re: What is Wrong With My Bus?
>
>
>
> fuel pump?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Fred McDonald
>
> To: tcb@freelistsorg
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:48 PM
>
> Subject: [tcb] Re: What is Wrong With My Bus?
>
>
>
> Points & condenser
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Denis Dodson
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:36 PM
>
> To: tcb@freelistsorg
>
> Subject: [tcb] Re: What is Wrong With My Bus?
>
>
>
> Are you running points or electronic?
>
>
>
> From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Fred McDonald
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:34 PM
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tcb] What is Wrong With My Bus?
>
>
>
> For those that don’t know,
>
> I have a 67 Westie with a 1600cc single port motor and an alternator instead
> of a generator.
>
> It has been running fine.
>
> I drove to the store about 2 miles away, they didn’t have what I wanted &
> started for another store.
>
> About 5 miles later I stopped at a light and the motor died at idle.
>
> Restarted the motor and drove about 100 yards and stopped at another light,
> the motor died again, this time the motor started only after a lot of
> cranking on the starter.
>
> Drove about 300 yards to the next light and the motor died at idle and would
> not start, ran the battery down and tried to jump start but still would not
> start.
>
> Had the bus towed home, I hooked up the jumper cables and it started ran for
> about five minutes and died and would not start.
>
> Next day, engine is cold and starts up, runs for about 10 minutes and dies
> and will not start attached the jumper cables and still will not start.
>
> Engine is flooded, remove spark plugs, wet with fuel and a lot of carbon
> build up on plugs 1 & 2, plug 3 has a little build up and 4 is fine but I
> replace the plugs.
>
> motor is now cooled off and starts up, runs for about 5 minutes and dies and
> will not start.
>
> My brother the mechanic tests the fuel pump, (working) tests the coil and no
> spark, suggests that coil is failing after it warms up.
>
> New Coil & battery, motor starts and runs at idle for over 30 minutes, I turn
> the motor off and restart the motor several times and no problems I think
> it’s fixed but don’t take it for a drive.
>
> Today I’m trying to fix a brake light problem, I start the bus and let it
> idle for 15 minutes and over the next hour I start the motor and turn off the
> motor several times.
>
> I decide to go to the store, I get a few blocks down the street and come to a
> stop and the motor dies, restart the motor and look for a spot to turn
> around, come to a stop and the motor dies, start the motor go about 50 yards
> come to a stop and the motor dies and will not start and now is flooded. I
> let the bus sit for about 10 minutes and it starts, I stay on the throttle
> and keep the RPMs up and get home.
>
> Well what do you think?
>
> Is this really weird?
>
>
>
>
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