[talks-uk] Re: KNFB
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:41:25 -0000
Hi Dean,
When I did my test last night, the ninth second was where the first word of
the text was uttered. You don't get this consistently though, because
sometimes it takes longer even for the camera to focus. So none of this is
scientific.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dean Wilcox
Sent: Monday 17 November 2008 22:11
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: KNFB
after I press down it takes a few seconds for the
camera to snap the picture, then a short pause
before it says preprocessing in books, articles
and labels format. Then a little pause before it
says something like camera is 0 degrees relative
to the page. Then if all is very well which
lately I find it often is it starts to read. I'm
not saying it isn't quick and very good but that
the 9 seconds for me may be a little ambitious as
it doesn't finnish its speech by then.
At 21:20 17/11/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Dean,
>
>I would say then that you are not getting as good alignment as you could.
I
>just scanned a page completely filled, and it took nine seconds from when I
>pressed down arrow.
>
>All the best
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Dean Wilcox
>Sent: Monday 17 November 2008 20:17
>To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [talks-uk] Re: KNFB
>
>I only tried it to test when my computer crashed
>on shut down. It read the windows is shutting
>down your computer text, that's not a quote! I
>don't know how it does with more complex
>screens. By the way while we're back on the KNFB
>topic, I'd just like to change my point about the
>processing speed. I actually think it takes the
>reader 15, sometimes about 20 seconds to
>recognise a page after pressing down arrow. The
>camera does take a few seconds to take a shot but that's still mitey quick!
>
>At 17:38 17/11/2008, you wrote:
> >Hi Neil,
> >
> >Interesting. But have you got it to successfully read a PC screen? I
> >haven't figured that one out yet, and I can do it with Si Recognizer,
which
> >is a PC based solution. But I am also congenitally blind, so I won't
> >instantly be as good at aiming, though I am getting better.
> >
> >All the best
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> >Sent: Sunday 16 November 2008 17:56
> >To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [talks-uk] Re: KNFB
> >
> >Steve,
> >
> >It doesn't work well with all screen detail, but I've used it at rail
> >stations to read info displays, not all the time well, but I think like
you
> >say it's what I touch on often when talking about it, prospective is the
>key
> >to success with it.
> >
> >I think that I often have success with it when others don't is because I
> >used to be able to see, so am always conscious of aiming correctly and
> >distance to what I'm taking a photo of, and what I want to encompass.
> >
> >
> >
> >Neil Barnfather
> >WFA List Administrator
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> >Sent: 15 November 2008 17:21
> >To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [talks-uk] Re: KNFB
> >
> >Hi Scott,
> >
> >I think he does like it, like I do. It gives you so much independence to
>be
> >able to read a piece of paper with some degree of accuracy, wherever you
> >are.
> >
> >One thing where I am not sure I agree with Neil though is that it does
not
> >read TV or computer screens as well as it reads paper, so it is quite a
>feat
> >to get it to read screens. Not impossible, but difficult.
> >
> >One thing I will say about any reading system that relies on a camera, if
> >you are congenitally blind, you need to be patient, and you probably
won't
> >get perfect results the first few times, until you have learned to
> >centralise yourself or your camera I should say, on the object of
interest.
> >
> >All the best
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of Scott C
> >Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 17:17
> >To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [talks-uk] KNFB
> >
> >Don't worry about it mate I don't think he likes it anyway.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Steve Nutt - Email Address: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent On: 15/11/2008 17:08
> >Sent To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim
> >
> >Hi Neil,
> >
> >Just a correction, KNFB is 995, not 935, from both Sight And Sound, and
us.
> >
> >All the best
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> >Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 13:37
> >To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim
> >
> >Graham,
> >
> >I have bought the software, I think it is well worth it, and has made a
big
> >difference to my life, having said this it is not for everyone.
> >
> >Steve is correct, in theory both the Nokia 6220 and N85 are capable of
> >supporting the software, it's just when KNFB do the deal and release it
for
> >those phones.
> >
> >You're right as well that there is an issue over what happens when your
> >phone breaks but surely that rule applies to your scanner and / or PC?
> >
> >When fairly weighing up the cost of KNFB on the phone be sure tat you're
> >fair about it, the cost of a decent scanner is about £150, plus Kirtsfil
> >1000 at £600, that makes the PC equivalent of KNFB Mobile at £750, now
the
> >mobile version is as you say £935 software only from S&S, with £270 for
the
> >N82 as found on www.play.com as of today, the cheapest I've seen it for.
> >
> >That's £1200.
> >
> >So £450 more, consider the scanner PC solution is stuck in one room in
your
> >house can only read flat things and if you go out it's still right there
at
> >home. Now the KNFB Mobile can read bottles, go anywhere with you in the
> >World.
> >
> >Let me give you some examples, medicine bottles, right there in my
medicine
> >cupboard upstairs,
> >Wine bottles, down in the cellar,
> >Post as it drops through the door,
> >Menus in restaurants,
> >Greeting cards both in the shop and at home or wherever,
> >Hotel information on the back of the door as to how to get out and where
to
> >assemble,
> >Warning signs in hotel to warn that hot is very hot or that water runs
>fast,
> >Television screens, yes I've had it read Sky banners and Sky Plus menus,
> >
> >Yarda, yarda, yarda, I think you've got my point, yes its very, very
> >expensive, but £450 isn't that much more than the PC version, and I
>consider
> >£450 well worth the portability of the solution. Even in my own home.
> >
> >
> >
> >Neil Barnfather
> >WFA List Administrator
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> >Sent: 15 November 2008 12:07
> >To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim
> >
> >Hi Graham,
> >
> >As I understand it, if your phone breaks, it is a free transfer, just
like
> >getting another reset code for JAWS. But if you upgrade your phone, the
> >upgrade fee is not determined yet, since the N82 phone is the only one
> >currently supported.
> >
> >But I disagree with you completely regarding availability of phones that
> >support it, the N85 as far as I know has the Xenon flash, which is just
> >coming out, and I believe the 6220 does too, it is just a question of
when
> >KNFB say it is OK to use these phones.
> >
> >All the best
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of Graham Page
> >Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 12:03
> >To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [talks-uk] Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim
> >
> >it is cool software but criminally expensive. I know that it costs money
> >and development time to produce any piece of software. I realise there
is
> >always going to be a limited market for this kind of access technology,
but
> >the amounts of money involved here are phenominal and really well out of
>the
> >
> >range of most people.
> >
> >My understanding is that really you want the Nokia N82 to run this
program.
> >the N82 is currently not available on contract so you need to buy one
sym
> >free.
> >
> >I think sight and sound do the whole package plus trainin g for around
>£1605
> >
> >which is a fair amount to spend for anyone.
> >
> >On top of this, it is probably unreasonable to expect the N82 to last
more
> >than a couple of years or so. typically people would want to upgrade the
> >phone after this amount of time but if you need the phone to run the NFB
> >Kurzweil reader software then there may not be a phone available that
will
> >run it properly.
> >
> >Don't get me wrong. the idea of being able to read while out on the move
>is
> >
> >really great and I am fully aware that often staff inn restaurants will
> >often not read the full menu because they don't speak much english or
they
> >think you must be too stupid to undrstand it or they just can't be
>bothered.
> >
> >Having the ability to read a brochure in a shop for specifications of
> >products would be a real benefit too.
> >
> >Steve, I understand you now sell Kurzweil NFB reader. What happens if
you
> >buy the product now and your phone breaks down or needs replacing in 2
> >years? Talks is being developed all the time to work with new phones but
> >the situation with Kurzweil is surely somewhat less certain.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Graham
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:13 AM
> >Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > > Hi Eleanor,
> > >
> > > Imagine sitting in a restaurant waiting for dinner. Normally, you
> > > probably
> > > need someone to read the menu for you. But with K Reader it will do a
> > > pretty darned good job of it. So an earpiece and your camera, and you
> > > have
> > > your reader wherever you are. It is cool software.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > > Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 09:31
> > > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >
> > > What sort of documents would you be scanning Alex sith a phone?
> > >
> > > Eleanor
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:46 PM
> > > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >
> > >
> > >> Eleanor, KNFB Reader is a piece of software for a phone which allows
>you
> > >> to
> > >> scan documents using the camera on your phone. It costs nine hundred
>quid
> > >> though so it's out of my price range!
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Alex
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > >> Sent: 14 November 2008 20:57
> > >> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>
> > >> Steve what is a KNFB reader?
> > >>
> > >> Eleanor
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:28 PM
> > >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Eleanor,
> > >>>
> > >>> I too have an N82. The main incentive for having this phone, is
that
>it
> > >>> works with the KNFB reader. The N95 is a good phone though.
> > >>>
> > >>> All the best
> > >>>
> > >>> Steve
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > >>> Sent: Friday 14 November 2008 10:12
> > >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>>
> > >>> You obviously felt it to be better than N95 then.
> > >>>
> > >>> Eleanor
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:03 AM
> > >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>I have an n82.
> > >>>> Cheers
> > >>>> Alex
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > >>>> Sent: 14 November 2008 09:58
> > >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>>>
> > >>>> OMG Alex. What phone model do you have now?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Eleanor
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:50 AM
> > >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Eleanor, I wouldn't give yourself too much of a hard time over it.
> > >>>>> When
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>> had an n95 and I first got it, I managed to break the door that
>holds
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> sim card in and had to have the phone replaced.
> > >>>>> Cheers
> > >>>>> Alex
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > >>>>> Sent: 14 November 2008 00:19
> > >>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sorry Kaz I really should have done better and taken the time and
>just
> > >>>>> opened my phone but I did not. Will do better next time someone
>asks
> > >>>>> me
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>> question.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Eleanor
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: "Karen Burgess" <karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:17 AM
> > >>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> hi eleanor
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ok with your description, i've finally managed to find the gate
>after
> > >>>>>> a
> > >>>>>> few months lol. what i will add for any totally blind people is
>the
> > >>>>>> little leaver is on the left side of the phone with the bottom
>facing
> > >>>>>> towards you so don't look in the flat part under the battery,
that
>is
> > >>>>>> where i was going wrong lol.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kaz
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> email: karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> windows live messenger: karenburgess70@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:56 PM
> > >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Kaz I am dreadful too but it is very easy in the N95. There is
a
> > >>>>>>> little
> > >>>>>>> catch well I am not good at describing things. This catch at
the
> > >>>>>>> back
> > >>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the phone is like the back of a battery holder on a portable
>radio.
> > >>>>>>> Easy
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> to slide towards you using your index finger. You can feel the
> > >>>>>>> ridge
> > >>>>>>> so
> > >>>>>>> press in and slide towards you. Lift the lid and there is the
> > >>>>>>> battery
> > >>>>>>> which you want to take out. I always put the battery down with
it
> > >>>>>>> facing
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the same position as when I take it out of the phone. Now
>sometimes
> > >>>>>>> they
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> do not come out easily and it may be necessary to turn the phone
> > >>>>>>> over
> > >>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> let the battery drop into the palm of your hand. Main thing is
> > >>>>>>> rembering
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> what way up the battery was in the phone and what way you place
it
> > >>>>>>> on
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> table while doing the SIM. There is then a SIM holder and it
has
>a
> > >>>>>>> little lever projecting upwards. This is very easy to lift
also.
>I
> > >>>>>>> am
> > >>>>>>> useless at this type of thing but on the N95 it is easy to lift.
>I
> > >>>>>>> come
> > >>>>>>> a little unstuck here as I have some vision and can see the sim
> > >>>>>>> card.
> > >>>>>>> There is a little gold area and as I recall it is important that
> > >>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>> the uppermost side. Once placed in the holder close down the
>lever
> > >>>>>>> again, replace the battery and the back of the phone and off you
>go.
> > >>>>>>> Now
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> when you turn the phone on if it does not work, then you will
know
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> SIM is in upsiddown so go back and repeat the exercise and this
>time
> > >>>>>>> turn
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the SIM over the other way. Incidentally if the power does not
>come
> > >>>>>>> back
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> on then the battery will be in the wrong way round. Be brave
Scot
> > >>>>>>> give
> > >>>>>>> it a go. I am useless and if I can do it then so can you. I
have
>no
> > >>>>>>> doubt someone else will come with a better explanation than
mine.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Eleanor
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: "Karen Burgess" <karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> hiya scott
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> good luck with getting the sim in i've had my n95 a few months
>and
> > >>>>>>>> i'm
> > >>>>>>>> still none the wiser, someone had to do it for me. its not at
>all
> > >>>>>>>> obvious, or may be its just me being thick lol.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Kaz
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> email: karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> windows live messenger: karenburgess70@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>> From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>>>> To: "Talks List Talks List" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:03 PM
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] sim
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi please can somebody tell me how exactly the sim card goes
in
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> N95.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks Scott
> > >>>>>>>>>
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