[talks-uk] Re: KNFB
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:20:45 -0000
Hi Dean,
I would say then that you are not getting as good alignment as you could. I
just scanned a page completely filled, and it took nine seconds from when I
pressed down arrow.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dean Wilcox
Sent: Monday 17 November 2008 20:17
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: KNFB
I only tried it to test when my computer crashed
on shut down. It read the windows is shutting
down your computer text, that's not a quote! I
don't know how it does with more complex
screens. By the way while we're back on the KNFB
topic, I'd just like to change my point about the
processing speed. I actually think it takes the
reader 15, sometimes about 20 seconds to
recognise a page after pressing down arrow. The
camera does take a few seconds to take a shot but that's still mitey quick!
At 17:38 17/11/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Neil,
>
>Interesting. But have you got it to successfully read a PC screen? I
>haven't figured that one out yet, and I can do it with Si Recognizer, which
>is a PC based solution. But I am also congenitally blind, so I won't
>instantly be as good at aiming, though I am getting better.
>
>All the best
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>Sent: Sunday 16 November 2008 17:56
>To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [talks-uk] Re: KNFB
>
>Steve,
>
>It doesn't work well with all screen detail, but I've used it at rail
>stations to read info displays, not all the time well, but I think like you
>say it's what I touch on often when talking about it, prospective is the
key
>to success with it.
>
>I think that I often have success with it when others don't is because I
>used to be able to see, so am always conscious of aiming correctly and
>distance to what I'm taking a photo of, and what I want to encompass.
>
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>Sent: 15 November 2008 17:21
>To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [talks-uk] Re: KNFB
>
>Hi Scott,
>
>I think he does like it, like I do. It gives you so much independence to
be
>able to read a piece of paper with some degree of accuracy, wherever you
>are.
>
>One thing where I am not sure I agree with Neil though is that it does not
>read TV or computer screens as well as it reads paper, so it is quite a
feat
>to get it to read screens. Not impossible, but difficult.
>
>One thing I will say about any reading system that relies on a camera, if
>you are congenitally blind, you need to be patient, and you probably won't
>get perfect results the first few times, until you have learned to
>centralise yourself or your camera I should say, on the object of interest.
>
>All the best
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Scott C
>Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 17:17
>To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [talks-uk] KNFB
>
>Don't worry about it mate I don't think he likes it anyway.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Nutt - Email Address: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent On: 15/11/2008 17:08
>Sent To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim
>
>Hi Neil,
>
>Just a correction, KNFB is 995, not 935, from both Sight And Sound, and us.
>
>All the best
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 13:37
>To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim
>
>Graham,
>
>I have bought the software, I think it is well worth it, and has made a big
>difference to my life, having said this it is not for everyone.
>
>Steve is correct, in theory both the Nokia 6220 and N85 are capable of
>supporting the software, it's just when KNFB do the deal and release it for
>those phones.
>
>You're right as well that there is an issue over what happens when your
>phone breaks but surely that rule applies to your scanner and / or PC?
>
>When fairly weighing up the cost of KNFB on the phone be sure tat you're
>fair about it, the cost of a decent scanner is about £150, plus Kirtsfil
>1000 at £600, that makes the PC equivalent of KNFB Mobile at £750, now the
>mobile version is as you say £935 software only from S&S, with £270 for the
>N82 as found on www.play.com as of today, the cheapest I've seen it for.
>
>That's £1200.
>
>So £450 more, consider the scanner PC solution is stuck in one room in your
>house can only read flat things and if you go out it's still right there at
>home. Now the KNFB Mobile can read bottles, go anywhere with you in the
>World.
>
>Let me give you some examples, medicine bottles, right there in my medicine
>cupboard upstairs,
>Wine bottles, down in the cellar,
>Post as it drops through the door,
>Menus in restaurants,
>Greeting cards both in the shop and at home or wherever,
>Hotel information on the back of the door as to how to get out and where to
>assemble,
>Warning signs in hotel to warn that hot is very hot or that water runs
fast,
>Television screens, yes I've had it read Sky banners and Sky Plus menus,
>
>Yarda, yarda, yarda, I think you've got my point, yes its very, very
>expensive, but £450 isn't that much more than the PC version, and I
consider
>£450 well worth the portability of the solution. Even in my own home.
>
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>Sent: 15 November 2008 12:07
>To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim
>
>Hi Graham,
>
>As I understand it, if your phone breaks, it is a free transfer, just like
>getting another reset code for JAWS. But if you upgrade your phone, the
>upgrade fee is not determined yet, since the N82 phone is the only one
>currently supported.
>
>But I disagree with you completely regarding availability of phones that
>support it, the N85 as far as I know has the Xenon flash, which is just
>coming out, and I believe the 6220 does too, it is just a question of when
>KNFB say it is OK to use these phones.
>
>All the best
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Graham Page
>Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 12:03
>To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [talks-uk] Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim
>
>it is cool software but criminally expensive. I know that it costs money
>and development time to produce any piece of software. I realise there is
>always going to be a limited market for this kind of access technology, but
>the amounts of money involved here are phenominal and really well out of
the
>
>range of most people.
>
>My understanding is that really you want the Nokia N82 to run this program.
>the N82 is currently not available on contract so you need to buy one sym
>free.
>
>I think sight and sound do the whole package plus trainin g for around
£1605
>
>which is a fair amount to spend for anyone.
>
>On top of this, it is probably unreasonable to expect the N82 to last more
>than a couple of years or so. typically people would want to upgrade the
>phone after this amount of time but if you need the phone to run the NFB
>Kurzweil reader software then there may not be a phone available that will
>run it properly.
>
>Don't get me wrong. the idea of being able to read while out on the move
is
>
>really great and I am fully aware that often staff inn restaurants will
>often not read the full menu because they don't speak much english or they
>think you must be too stupid to undrstand it or they just can't be
bothered.
>
>Having the ability to read a brochure in a shop for specifications of
>products would be a real benefit too.
>
>Steve, I understand you now sell Kurzweil NFB reader. What happens if you
>buy the product now and your phone breaks down or needs replacing in 2
>years? Talks is being developed all the time to work with new phones but
>the situation with Kurzweil is surely somewhat less certain.
>
>Regards
>
>Graham
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:13 AM
>Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> > Hi Eleanor,
> >
> > Imagine sitting in a restaurant waiting for dinner. Normally, you
> > probably
> > need someone to read the menu for you. But with K Reader it will do a
> > pretty darned good job of it. So an earpiece and your camera, and you
> > have
> > your reader wherever you are. It is cool software.
> >
> > All the best
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 09:31
> > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >
> > What sort of documents would you be scanning Alex sith a phone?
> >
> > Eleanor
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:46 PM
> > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >
> >
> >> Eleanor, KNFB Reader is a piece of software for a phone which allows
you
> >> to
> >> scan documents using the camera on your phone. It costs nine hundred
quid
> >> though so it's out of my price range!
> >> Cheers
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> >> Sent: 14 November 2008 20:57
> >> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>
> >> Steve what is a KNFB reader?
> >>
> >> Eleanor
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:28 PM
> >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Eleanor,
> >>>
> >>> I too have an N82. The main incentive for having this phone, is that
it
> >>> works with the KNFB reader. The N95 is a good phone though.
> >>>
> >>> All the best
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> >>> Sent: Friday 14 November 2008 10:12
> >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>>
> >>> You obviously felt it to be better than N95 then.
> >>>
> >>> Eleanor
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:03 AM
> >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have an n82.
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Alex
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> >>>> Sent: 14 November 2008 09:58
> >>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>>>
> >>>> OMG Alex. What phone model do you have now?
> >>>>
> >>>> Eleanor
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:50 AM
> >>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Eleanor, I wouldn't give yourself too much of a hard time over it.
> >>>>> When
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> had an n95 and I first got it, I managed to break the door that
holds
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> sim card in and had to have the phone replaced.
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Alex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> >>>>> Sent: 14 November 2008 00:19
> >>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry Kaz I really should have done better and taken the time and
just
> >>>>> opened my phone but I did not. Will do better next time someone
asks
> >>>>> me
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> question.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eleanor
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Karen Burgess" <karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:17 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> hi eleanor
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ok with your description, i've finally managed to find the gate
after
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> few months lol. what i will add for any totally blind people is
the
> >>>>>> little leaver is on the left side of the phone with the bottom
facing
> >>>>>> towards you so don't look in the flat part under the battery, that
is
> >>>>>> where i was going wrong lol.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kaz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> email: karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> windows live messenger: karenburgess70@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:56 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kaz I am dreadful too but it is very easy in the N95. There is a
> >>>>>>> little
> >>>>>>> catch well I am not good at describing things. This catch at the
> >>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> the phone is like the back of a battery holder on a portable
radio.
> >>>>>>> Easy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> to slide towards you using your index finger. You can feel the
> >>>>>>> ridge
> >>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>> press in and slide towards you. Lift the lid and there is the
> >>>>>>> battery
> >>>>>>> which you want to take out. I always put the battery down with it
> >>>>>>> facing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> the same position as when I take it out of the phone. Now
sometimes
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> do not come out easily and it may be necessary to turn the phone
> >>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> let the battery drop into the palm of your hand. Main thing is
> >>>>>>> rembering
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> what way up the battery was in the phone and what way you place it
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> table while doing the SIM. There is then a SIM holder and it has
a
> >>>>>>> little lever projecting upwards. This is very easy to lift also.
I
> >>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>> useless at this type of thing but on the N95 it is easy to lift.
I
> >>>>>>> come
> >>>>>>> a little unstuck here as I have some vision and can see the sim
> >>>>>>> card.
> >>>>>>> There is a little gold area and as I recall it is important that
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> the uppermost side. Once placed in the holder close down the
lever
> >>>>>>> again, replace the battery and the back of the phone and off you
go.
> >>>>>>> Now
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> when you turn the phone on if it does not work, then you will know
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> SIM is in upsiddown so go back and repeat the exercise and this
time
> >>>>>>> turn
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> the SIM over the other way. Incidentally if the power does not
come
> >>>>>>> back
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> on then the battery will be in the wrong way round. Be brave Scot
> >>>>>>> give
> >>>>>>> it a go. I am useless and if I can do it then so can you. I have
no
> >>>>>>> doubt someone else will come with a better explanation than mine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Eleanor
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Karen Burgess" <karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> hiya scott
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> good luck with getting the sim in i've had my n95 a few months
and
> >>>>>>>> i'm
> >>>>>>>> still none the wiser, someone had to do it for me. its not at
all
> >>>>>>>> obvious, or may be its just me being thick lol.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kaz
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> email: karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> windows live messenger: karenburgess70@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>> To: "Talks List Talks List" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:03 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] sim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi please can somebody tell me how exactly the sim card goes in
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> N95.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Scott
> >>>>>>>>>
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