[tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
- From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:54:32 -0400
All moderators have to deal, at some time, with list members who refuse to
follow rules.
This response just earned you a probationary status.
Chip
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:00 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
It's good to be the king! Even when you're wrong.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 4:18 pm
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
We're all repeating ourselves by now, therefore, I declare the subject to be
closed.
Thank you.
Chip
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:00 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
Sorry, that doesn't wash. The topics of discussion were were always public
knowledge. People didn't bother to show up; now they want to complain. Too bad,
so sad, cry me a river.
If I am in the know (there are those who would question that statement,
by the way) it is only because I put myself there by... showing up, speaking
up, etc. Write your commissioners, StarMetro staff, whoever.
Show up on their doorstep, whatever it takes. Make 'em groan when they see you
coming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 3:52 pm
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
If the topics under discussion were posted, then I'm sure a lot more people
would have shown up or spoken up. Don't assume that just because
you're in the know, or you're lucky enough to be able to get there, that
everyone else is.
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:40 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
There are always lessons to be learned and the lesson to be learned from this
whole affair is... Show up. Speak up. If you don't, then don't complain about
what happens when others do show up and speak up and they don't do what you
would have preferred.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 3:19 pm
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
Erica, You may make any demands you like; but this is just your opinion.
Anyone else is free to put forth their opinions as well, so I wish all others
to know this is not the moderator requesting that you keep silent.
Furthermore, other people’s opinions aren’t “excuses”, nor are they “whining or
crying”. This is sailing very close to a personal attack when you begin to
describe others in such terms. You and/or I am free to offer our opinions at
any time, which includes thank you’s after the fact and opinions as to where
things could have been done better. If you’ll check my original post you’ll see
my first line says it’s good to have braille signage. I also congratulated
John Plescow on all that he did in getting us the signage. Twice after that I
said that it’s was only my opinion that the braille was awkward to read. One
reason I said that is to encourage more public discussion of decisions in the
future. I am by no means encouraging everyone to “keep silent if you don’t
like it”, that’s entirely opposite to the philosophy of TABI, which has always
encouraged communication. It’s good you are so happy with everything, but there
are always lessons to be learned when things don’t go perfectly, but only if
you admit to them and freely discuss them. Silencing everyone who has anything
to offer afterwards smacks of how they do things in other countries, but not
here. Chip From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Erica
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:15 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; brian.waterman@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Braille signage-- demand and offer I am going to make an offer
and a demand for the folks subscribed to TABI.
There has been some hugh and cry regarding a perceived lack of information
about the process used to determine how/if Braille signage should be included
in Starmetro's attempts to improve our bus service.
Many venues for information are open to the general public, including-- perhaps
most obviously-- the City's Press Releases, which can be accessed through
Talgov.com. Lynn Evans has done a wonderful job of faithfully and timely
posting these to TABI... so there should be no excuses here about not having
access to that information in the past.
(Lynn, I am in no way obligating you to continue this service... but I
certainly want to publicly thank you for all you have done!) IF, however, you
still are uninformed, AND WISH TO BE, please email me off-line and I will
provide you with a list of information sources.
If you choose not to get involved--
do not make an effort to inform yourself, cannot find it in your schedule to
make your voice heard in a productive manner-- THEN HERE IS MY DEMAND:
please remain silent about such issues.
Starmetro has done a wonderful job in their efforts to get Braille signage to
little ol' Tallahassee!
There have been a few snags, yes, but every pioneer has faced such challenges.
Startmetro DOES NOT NEED TO HEAR whining and crying at this point about
opportunities individuals missed to have their input heard, or about a "better
way" to do something they have already completed. That is no way to show our
gratitude for their efforts, not to mention the efforts of the citizens who
were involved. Starmetro NEEDS to hear "Thank you!"
IT IS DONE. IT HAS BEEN DONE AS WELL AS WE-- Starmetro staff and involved
citizens-- COULD POSSIBLY FORESEE AND PLAN.
And, NO, in case you are wondering, it was not just 3 or 4 local folks stabbing
in the dark; Department of Transportation and other national standards were
consulted. (Thank you to Lynda Jones!) If you don't use the bus, then you will
never have to worry about your hand getting a cramp from reading sideways.
However, for those of us who do ride, this will be a HUGE help! I'm sure we are
smart enough to read Braille "sideways", just as sightlings adapt to signs
written vertically.
Let's move forward with positive comments only.
just like Thumper's father told him, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say
nothin' at all."
Erica
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Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
and please make suggestions for new material.
if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web
interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.
Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
and please make suggestions for new material.
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interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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