John,
I have no quarrel with what you say.
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Feb 2, 2017, at 2:15 AM, "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Richard,
I'm only responding to one small historical aspect of what you mention - the
execution of the Rosenberg's. I was ten years old at the time and (for some
reason) I still vividly remember standing up in the back seat of my parent's
car at night, listening to the live radio broadcast of the Rosenberg's
execution. And it was pretty graphic, blow by blow. I think Ethel was
executed first. and it was broadcast live from the the death chamber.
But I do remember the repeated refrain was that they were executed for
treason. At least that was the popular perception. Espionage may well have
been the legal terminology. But it does seem a difference without a
distinction now.
There was and is no reasonable doubt (then or now) that they sold out the
United States for both financial and ideological reasons. As did Jonathan
Pollard in the modern context. And there is no doubt that all three were
Jews. But I really don't see that that fact was anymore more than
incidental. At least in the Rosenberg's case. They were Communists first,
Jews second. And they did this country great harm in their betrayal. But I
don't think their religion had much to do with it.
Pollard on the other hand was motivated by a religious fever. So be it.
He made his bed and is now laying in it. Had he done this in the fifties, he
too would probably have been executed.
JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 22:36:55 -0500
Are those REALLY the best arguments you can come up to show that "most Jews
think of themselves as Jews first and Americans second"? Nothing you wrote
supports that statement. Haven't you ever heard of critical thinking?
1. Who are those "most socialist/communist candidates" you refer to? Are
they Democrats? You know, the ones who often support labor unions?
Socialist candidates ran against FDR. According to your reasoning, the
Jewish vote would have gone to those candidates, rather than to FDR, who
never identified himself as a Socialist or Communist. In any event, how does
this illustrate that "most Jews think of themselves as Jews first and
Americans second"?
2. Accepting your premise that "all presidential candidates must pledge to
support Israel," how does that show that "most Jews think of themselves as
Jews first and Americans second"? From the polls I've seen, Jewish voters
are more interested in other, national issues (the American economy, health
care, etc.) than they are in Israel. I don't have those polls at my
fingertips, but I can probably find them if you're interested.
3. You're probably referring to the Rosenbergs. Actually, they were
convicted of and executed for conspiracy to commit espionage, not treason.
In any event, how do those two (count 'em: one, two) Jewish spies illustrate
that "most Jews think of themselves as Jews first and Americans second"?
(By the way, a number of non-Jews actually were convicted of treason in the
20th century, although none was executed.)
You also wrote: "If you are like most Jews, living in a Jewish community
with other Jews in America then you might feel like an American but you are
not. You are just a Jew living in America." I realize that you are just
expressing your opinion, but really, RR, WTF? Who are you to say who is and
who is not an American?
Sent from my iPad.
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I forgot. For every Jew in the media who supports Donald Trump I can give you
at least 10, maybe 100 Jews who hate him because he wants to make America
great again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Feb 1, 2017 7:28 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
1. Most Jews have always voted for the most socialist/communist candidate.
90% voted for FDR. No other race, ethnicity or religion votes like this.
Socialism/communism is the opposite of American values.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-voting-record-in-u-s-presidential-elections
2. All presidential candidates must pledge to support Israel, a foreign
country. Who demands this?
3. The only people ever executed for treason in the U.S. were Jews.
If you are like most Jews, living in a Jewish community with other Jews in
America then you might feel like an American but you are not. You are just a
Jew living in America.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Feb 1, 2017 2:49 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
As that other, more famous RR once said: There you go again. Kindly
provide evidence that MOST Jews think of themselves as Jews first and
Americans second. Was there some kind of survey taken, or is the statement
based on your very extensive personal experience?
Sent from my iPad.
On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I know Jews who not only respect, but believe in our Constitution and Bill of
Rights, but most Jews think of themselves as Jews first and Americans second.
I don't think of myself as anything other than an American, as do most true
Americans.
People who think of themselves as Jews, Blacks, Muslims, Latinos, etc., not
only hurt all Americans but they hurt themselves as well.
Groups like BLM, JDL, and NAACP only divide Americans and it's no coincidence
that all were founded by socialist/communist Jews. Even the word "racism"
itself was invented by a Bolshevik Jew.
-----Original Message-----
From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Feb 1, 2017 11:00 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
RR
My lousy lap top sends before I finish texting without me hitting send?
Repeating.
So you finally agreed with something I posted? Again, it would be nice if you
responded to some of my more difficult posts so that not only I, but the net
and my
Bcc list could see your response?
The long term problem is that many, many people come here with many different
cultures including my parents from Poland and Russia and spoke most often in
Yiddish which is how I learned it, until they both studied English and other
things and
both became naturalized citizens. Our history is full of immigrants who added
greatly
to our progress, for example, Bob Hope who was invited to sleep at the White
House
by many Presidents. It is a chance you have to take, some times you win and
some
times you lose.
Stan the offspring of immigrants
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2017 11:16 am
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
I agree 100% but that doesn't mean that we should allow them to immigrate to
our country if they can't assimilate into our culture.
Neither should we be dropping bombs on their countries or interfering with
their governments.
-----Original Message-----
From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Feb 1, 2017 10:04 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Schalestock and everyone else
The problem is that there is about 1 billion of them we can't ignore and not
all of them
follow all the old rules and I suspect most all old religions have similar
crazy rules?
Stan the mediator
-----Original Message-----
From: schalestock <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 4:17 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Tricky question Richard. I don't like people that adheres to a sick, medieval
religion that not condones but encourages murder "non believers" and the
institutionalized abuse of their own women. Hope that clears it up for you.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:34:10 -0500
[Warning for those in Rio Linda: contents contain sarcasm.]
John,
I've tried adjusting the font size every which way, but I'm still having
trouble reading between the lines in your email. Are you saying that you
don't like Muslims?
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Jan 31, 2017, at 8:43 AM, "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hell Richard , if we're all painting with broad brushes now, count me in!
I say, ban ALL Muslims! ( I would be willing to throw them their goats pigs
and burka clad alleged "females"" and time warp them back to the 7th century
as an alternative)
But failing that, hell yes ban these head chopping scumbags. And don't float
the red herring about not "all" Muslims... All Muslims DO pray to Allah and
follow the Koran. Which gives explicit instructions on stoning, head
chopping and general abuse of women. Fuck them all. There's never been a
more appropriate group of people to nuke in the history of the world.
But most importantly of all in my opinion is that we LOCK UP that
psychopathic bitch that left our men to die in Benghazi.
Just my humble opinion of course.. I could let you know how I really feel.
JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 01:38:53 -0500
You can interpret, excuse or massage his words any way you wish, but the fact
remains that on December 7, 2015, Donald Trump called for "a total and
complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States." I stand by my
original email on the subject: Trump wanted to ban all Muslims in 2015, and
I believe he would like to impose a ban on all Muslims today if he could.
As for your asinine assertion that I believe "'being a rat' is perfectly
acceptable," let's review the facts: I never reported you to anyone, and I
never revealed any information that could be used to identify you. What I
did was to contact author Andy Weir and ask him if he agreed with you, that
it was acceptable and legal for "an acquaintance of mine" to post a link that
allowed others to download "The Martian" without paying for it. Not
surprisingly, Andy said you were wrong. This was not ratting out or
snitching by anyone's definition except, apparently, yours. You responded
with some infantile name-calling (e.g., "Rich the snitch") and made it clear
to everyone that you don't like to be questioned, corrected or contradicted,
even when you're obviously wrong. (More examples available on request.)
Finally, regarding that recent poll alleging that most Muslims support ISIS,
here's another recent poll that says just the opposite:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/#comments
Go figure.
Sent from my iPad.
On Jan 30, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
What he said was a complete ban on Muslims entering the U.S. "until we figure
out what the hell is going on."
Sounds reasonable to me. Since he made that statement he has had more time to
study the situation and has modified his stance to only banning Muslim
countries that support terrorism.
Once again sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Or am I missing something? Why is Chuck Schuman actually crying about it and
calling Trump un-American?
Everything I say is my opinion. I try to include links whenever possible.
I'll be the first one to admit that I don't know everything. In fact what I
believe is that I don't really know anything. Seriously. When so many people
lie how can anybody be certain of anything? All one can do is form opinions
based on very limited knowledge.
What I meant by my statement regarding you is that I understand and respect
not wanting to be an informer. You've demonstrated that you believe that
"being a rat" is perfectly acceptable, and so should find it even more
extraordinary that no Muslim has ever turned in another Muslim terrorist even
when they knew what they were doing.
I can understand several reasons why somebody would not report a Muslim
terrorist. (1) Honor. (2) Fear of retribution. (3) Fear of being called a
racist by the Jew left wing media if not a Muslim.
According to a recent poll, 81% of all Muslims support ISIS. That doesn't
mean they support terrorism. Probably very few do. But it still represents a
serious problem when it comes to immigration.
https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/10/15/poll-81-of-muslims-around-the-world-support-islamic-state-al-jazeera-arabic-poll/
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Jan 30, 2017 5:21 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
RR,
As requested, here is a video of Trump uttering the exact words that I quoted
verbatim from the official Donald J. Trump website:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video
How come you couldn't find that video? Did you look? Do you suspect that
the speaker in the video is not really Donald Trump? Alec Baldwin, perhaps?
Here's a suggestion: Your credibility would be much enhanced if, instead of
writing (as you did originally), "...[none, zero] Muslim Americans have
turned in Muslim terrorists they knew about," you wrote: I KNOW OF none,
zero Muslim Americans who have turned in Muslim terrorists they knew about."
In fact, you should make it a point to always preface your absurd comments
and "alternative facts" with the words "I believe" or "In my opinion" or "As
far as I know." That way, the reader will know to treat your pontifications
with the skepticism they deserve. (Examples available on request.)
I don't understand what you're trying to say in your last paragraph. Do you?
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
Could you please provide a link to the video which shows him saying this?
Many times the things people say are taken out of context.
Or is this just something you read in one of your liberal rags who have been
proven to be biased if not outright liars?
I know "none, zero" because I know of I know of none, zero. This was
highlighted by the two Muslim shooters in California who had homemade bombs
lying all around their apartment and lots of Muslim visitors were not
terrorists.
I understand the New York mindset of "not getting involved", but I posted a
link for friend on is this group to a torrent to download a book and you
wasted no time in reporting me to the author because you thought that what I
was doing was illegal.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Jan 30, 2017 2:35 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Just how does "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United
States" differ from "ALL" Muslims?
And what do you mean by "maybe you are correct?" Those were Trump's words,
not mine. There's nothing there for me to be correct or incorrect about.
By the way, how do you know that "none, zero" Muslim Americans have turned in
Muslim terrorists they knew about?
Finally, as for your being obsessed: No, no, no! You're not obsessed.
Definitely not! Anyone who reads your posts can see that that's not the case!
Sent from my iPhone.
On Jan 30, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
He can't change his mind?
But most likely he was using the word "Muslim" the same way that you
criticize me for using the word "Jew". It doesn't mean ALL Muslims just like
it doesn't mean ALL Jews. That's the way I would read it.
But maybe you are correct. How many Muslim Americans have turned in Muslim
terrorists they knew about? Answer: None, zero.
It was the same with all the Jews who had subverted the U.S. Government in
the 1950's and were selling nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union. There were
many Jews who knew about it but never said anything. Not one. Why not?
The Rosenbergs were the only two people in American history ever executed for
treason. And not just because they were traitors and were the leaders of a
huge spy ring of other Jews, but because they sold those secrets for big
money. They were just plain greedy.
But I am just obsessed, right?
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Jan 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
RR,
It may not be a Muslim ban now, but Trump proposed exactly that in 2015.
Here is the first sentence of his statement, which can be found in its
entirety at www.donaldjtrump.com:
(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total
and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our
country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
It's reasonable to assume that he would still like to institute a "total and
complete" Muslim ban if only he could.
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Did you even bother to watch the video?
It is not a Muslim ban. It is only a ban on countries that export terrorists
and does not include the 6 countries with the largest Muslim populations.
Obama issued many such travel bans during his presidency and the commie news
media never said a word. Now commie Jew Chuck Schumer is on TV actually
CRYING and calling Trump un-American.
Trump called Schumer's performance bad acting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmiLmWNMxLk
-----Original Message-----
From: sblumen123@xxxxxxx
Sent: Jan 30, 2017 10:58 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [sparkscoffee] The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Everyone
Oops, meant to also mention that the 'Muslim Ban' is a difficult problem about
safety for our citizens and the very human needs of refugees caused by our
military intervention in Muslim dominated country affairs? The Jewish Press
compares this problem with denying the Jewish refugees on the German
Spirit of St Louis passenger ship to land in Cuba, here and Canada. Mainly
that the ban by President Trump is too severe.
Stan the Jew
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2017 10:56 am
Subject: [sparkscoffee] The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM
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