Richard, I'm only responding to one small historical aspect of what you mention
- the execution of the Rosenberg's. I was ten years old at the time and (for
some reason) I still vividly remember standing up in the back seat of my
parent's car at night, listening to the live radio broadcast of the Rosenberg's
execution. And it was pretty graphic, blow by blow. I think Ethel was
executed first. and it was broadcast live from the the death chamber. But I do
remember the repeated refrain was that they were executed for treason. At
least that was the popular perception. Espionage may well have been the legal
terminology. But it does seem a difference without a distinction now. There was
and is no reasonable doubt (then or now) that they sold out the United States
for both financial and ideological reasons. As did Jonathan Pollard in the
modern context. And there is no doubt that all three were Jews. But I really
don't see that that fact was anymore more than incidental. At least in the
Rosenberg's case. They were Communists first, Jews second. And they did this
country great harm in their betrayal. But I don't think their religion had
much to do with it. Pollard on the other hand was motivated by a religious
fever. So be it. He made his bed and is now laying in it. Had he done this in
the fifties, he too would probably have been executed. JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 22:36:55 -0500
Are those REALLY the best arguments you can come up to show that "most Jews
think of themselves as Jews first and Americans second"? Nothing you wrote
supports that statement. Haven't you ever heard of critical thinking? 1. Who
are those "most socialist/communist candidates" you refer to? Are they
Democrats? You know, the ones who often support labor unions? Socialist
candidates ran against FDR. According to your reasoning, the Jewish vote would
have gone to those candidates, rather than to FDR, who never identified himself
as a Socialist or Communist. In any event, how does this illustrate that "most
Jews think of themselves as Jews first and Americans second"? 2. Accepting
your premise that "all presidential candidates must pledge to support Israel,"
how does that show that "most Jews think of themselves as Jews first and
Americans second"? From the polls I've seen, Jewish voters are more interested
in other, national issues (the American economy, health care, etc.) than they
are in Israel. I don't have those polls at my fingertips, but I can probably
find them if you're interested. 3. You're probably referring to the
Rosenbergs. Actually, they were convicted of and executed for conspiracy to
commit espionage, not treason. In any event, how do those two (count 'em:
one, two) Jewish spies illustrate that "most Jews think of themselves as Jews
first and Americans second"? (By the way, a number of non-Jews actually were
convicted of treason in the 20th century, although none was executed.) You also
wrote: "If you are like most Jews, living in a Jewish community with other
Jews in America then you might feel like an American but you are not. You are
just a Jew living in America." I realize that you are just expressing your
opinion, but really, RR, WTF? Who are you to say who is and who is not an
American?
Sent from my iPad.
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I forgot. For every Jew in the media who supports Donald Trump I can give you
at least 10, maybe 100 Jews who hate him because he wants to make America great
again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Feb 1, 2017 7:28 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
1. Most Jews have always voted for the most socialist/communist candidate. 90%
voted for FDR. No other race, ethnicity or religion votes like this.
Socialism/communism is the opposite of American values.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-voting-record-in-u-s-presidential-elections
2. All presidential candidates must pledge to support Israel, a foreign
country. Who demands this?
3. The only people ever executed for treason in the U.S. were Jews.
If you are like most Jews, living in a Jewish community with other Jews in
America then you might feel like an American but you are not. You are just a
Jew living in America.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Feb 1, 2017 2:49 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
As that other, more famous RR once said: There you go again. Kindly provide
evidence that MOST Jews think of themselves as Jews first and Americans second.
Was there some kind of survey taken, or is the statement based on your very
extensive personal experience?
Sent from my iPad.
On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I know Jews who not only respect, but believe in our Constitution and Bill of
Rights, but most Jews think of themselves as Jews first and Americans second. I
don't think of myself as anything other than an American, as do most true
Americans.
People who think of themselves as Jews, Blacks, Muslims, Latinos, etc., not
only hurt all Americans but they hurt themselves as well.
Groups like BLM, JDL, and NAACP only divide Americans and it's no coincidence
that all were founded by socialist/communist Jews. Even the word "racism"
itself was invented by a Bolshevik Jew.
-----Original Message-----
From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Feb 1, 2017 11:00 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
RRMy lousy lap top sends before I finish texting without me hitting send?
Repeating. So you finally agreed with something I posted? Again, it would be
nice if youresponded to some of my more difficult posts so that not only I, but
the net and myBcc list could see your response? The long term problem is that
many, many people come here with many different cultures including my parents
from Poland and Russia and spoke most often inYiddish which is how I learned
it, until they both studied English and other things and both became
naturalized citizens. Our history is full of immigrants who added greatly to
our progress, for example, Bob Hope who was invited to sleep at the White
Houseby many Presidents. It is a chance you have to take, some times you win
and sometimes you lose.
Stan the offspring of immigrants
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2017 11:16 am
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
I agree 100% but that doesn't mean that we should allow them to immigrate to
our country if they can't assimilate into our culture.
Neither should we be dropping bombs on their countries or interfering with
their governments.
-----Original Message-----
From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Feb 1, 2017 10:04 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Schalestock and everyone elseThe problem is that there is about 1 billion of
them we can't ignore and not all of themfollow all the old rules and I suspect
most all old religions have similar crazy rules? Stan the mediator
-----Original Message-----
From: schalestock <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 4:17 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Tricky question Richard. I don't like people that adheres to a sick, medieval
religion that not condones but encourages murder "non believers" and the
institutionalized abuse of their own women. Hope that clears it up for you.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:34:10 -0500
[Warning for those in Rio Linda: contents contain sarcasm.] John, I've tried
adjusting the font size every which way, but I'm still having trouble reading
between the lines in your email. Are you saying that you don't like Muslims?
73, Richard FreedlandMiami
Sent from my iPad.
On Jan 31, 2017, at 8:43 AM, "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:Hell Richard , if we're all painting with broad brushes now, count me in!
I say, ban ALL Muslims! ( I would be willing to throw them their goats pigs and
burka clad alleged "females"" and time warp them back to the 7th century as an
alternative) But failing that, hell yes ban these head chopping scumbags.
And don't float the red herring about not "all" Muslims... All Muslims DO pray
to Allah and follow the Koran. Which gives explicit instructions on stoning,
head chopping and general abuse of women. Fuck them all. There's never been a
more appropriate group of people to nuke in the history of the world. But most
importantly of all in my opinion is that we LOCK UP that psychopathic bitch
that left our men to die in Benghazi. Just my humble opinion of course.. I
could let you know how I really feel. JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 01:38:53 -0500
You can interpret, excuse or massage his words any way you wish, but the fact
remains that on December 7, 2015, Donald Trump called for "a total and
complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States." I stand by my
original email on the subject: Trump wanted to ban all Muslims in 2015, and I
believe he would like to impose a ban on all Muslims today if he could. As for
your asinine assertion that I believe "'being a rat' is perfectly acceptable,"
let's review the facts: I never reported you to anyone, and I never revealed
any information that could be used to identify you. What I did was to contact
author Andy Weir and ask him if he agreed with you, that it was acceptable and
legal for "an acquaintance of mine" to post a link that allowed others to
download "The Martian" without paying for it. Not surprisingly, Andy said you
were wrong. This was not ratting out or snitching by anyone's definition
except, apparently, yours. You responded with some infantile name-calling
(e.g., "Rich the snitch") and made it clear to everyone that you don't like to
be questioned, corrected or contradicted, even when you're obviously wrong.
(More examples available on request.) Finally, regarding that recent poll
alleging that most Muslims support ISIS, here's another recent poll that says
just the opposite:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/#comments
Go figure.
Sent from my iPad.
On Jan 30, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:What he
said was a complete ban on Muslims entering the U.S. "until we figure out what
the hell is going on."
Sounds reasonable to me. Since he made that statement he has had more time to
study the situation and has modified his stance to only banning Muslim
countries that support terrorism.
Once again sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Or am I missing something? Why is Chuck Schuman actually crying about it and
calling Trump un-American?
Everything I say is my opinion. I try to include links whenever possible. I'll
be the first one to admit that I don't know everything. In fact what I believe
is that I don't really know anything. Seriously. When so many people lie how
can anybody be certain of anything? All one can do is form opinions based on
very limited knowledge.
What I meant by my statement regarding you is that I understand and respect
not wanting to be an informer. You've demonstrated that you believe that "being
a rat" is perfectly acceptable, and so should find it even more extraordinary
that no Muslim has ever turned in another Muslim terrorist even when they knew
what they were doing.
I can understand several reasons why somebody would not report a Muslim
terrorist. (1) Honor. (2) Fear of retribution. (3) Fear of being called a
racist by the Jew left wing media if not a Muslim.
According to a recent poll, 81% of all Muslims support ISIS. That doesn't mean
they support terrorism. Probably very few do. But it still represents a serious
problem when it comes to immigration.
https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/10/15/poll-81-of-muslims-around-the-world-support-islamic-state-al-jazeera-arabic-poll/
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Jan 30, 2017 5:21 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
RR, As requested, here is a video of Trump uttering the exact words that I
quoted verbatim from the official Donald J. Trump website:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video
How come you couldn't find that video? Did you look? Do you suspect that the
speaker in the video is not really Donald Trump? Alec Baldwin, perhaps?
Here's a suggestion: Your credibility would be much enhanced if, instead of
writing (as you did originally), "...[none, zero] Muslim Americans have turned
in Muslim terrorists they knew about," you wrote: I KNOW OF none, zero Muslim
Americans who have turned in Muslim terrorists they knew about." In fact, you
should make it a point to always preface your absurd comments and "alternative
facts" with the words "I believe" or "In my opinion" or "As far as I know."
That way, the reader will know to treat your pontifications with the skepticism
they deserve. (Examples available on request.) I don't understand what you're
trying to say in your last paragraph. Do you? 73, Richard FreedlandMiami
Sent from my iPad.
On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Richard,
Could you please provide a link to the video which shows him saying this? Many
times the things people say are taken out of context.
Or is this just something you read in one of your liberal rags who have been
proven to be biased if not outright liars?
I know "none, zero" because I know of I know of none, zero. This was
highlighted by the two Muslim shooters in California who had homemade bombs
lying all around their apartment and lots of Muslim visitors were not
terrorists.
I understand the New York mindset of "not getting involved", but I posted a
link for friend on is this group to a torrent to download a book and you wasted
no time in reporting me to the author because you thought that what I was doing
was illegal.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Jan 30, 2017 2:35 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Just how does "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United
States" differ from "ALL" Muslims? And what do you mean by "maybe you are
correct?" Those were Trump's words, not mine. There's nothing there for me to
be correct or incorrect about. By the way, how do you know that "none, zero"
Muslim Americans have turned in Muslim terrorists they knew about? Finally,
as for your being obsessed: No, no, no! You're not obsessed. Definitely not!
Anyone who reads your posts can see that that's not the case!
Sent from my iPhone.
On Jan 30, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:He can't
change his mind?
But most likely he was using the word "Muslim" the same way that you criticize
me for using the word "Jew". It doesn't mean ALL Muslims just like it doesn't
mean ALL Jews. That's the way I would read it.
But maybe you are correct. How many Muslim Americans have turned in Muslim
terrorists they knew about? Answer: None, zero.
It was the same with all the Jews who had subverted the U.S. Government in the
1950's and were selling nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union. There were many
Jews who knew about it but never said anything. Not one. Why not?
The Rosenbergs were the only two people in American history ever executed for
treason. And not just because they were traitors and were the leaders of a huge
spy ring of other Jews, but because they sold those secrets for big money. They
were just plain greedy.
But I am just obsessed, right?
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland <gadaoman2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Jan 30, 2017 1:10 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
RR, It may not be a Muslim ban now, but Trump proposed exactly that in 2015.
Here is the first sentence of his statement, which can be found in its entirety
at www.donaldjtrump.com: (New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump
is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United
States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
It's reasonable to assume that he would still like to institute a "total and
complete" Muslim ban if only he could. 73, Richard FreedlandMiami
Sent from my iPad.
On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Did you
even bother to watch the video?
It is not a Muslim ban. It is only a ban on countries that export terrorists
and does not include the 6 countries with the largest Muslim populations. Obama
issued many such travel bans during his presidency and the commie news media
never said a word. Now commie Jew Chuck Schumer is on TV actually CRYING and
calling Trump un-American.
Trump called Schumer's performance bad acting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmiLmWNMxLk
-----Original Message-----
From: sblumen123@xxxxxxx
Sent: Jan 30, 2017 10:58 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [sparkscoffee] The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
EveryoneOops, meant to also mention that the 'Muslim Ban' is a difficult
problem aboutsafety for our citizens and the very human needs of refugees
caused by ourmilitary intervention in Muslim dominated country affairs? The
Jewish Presscompares this problem with denying the Jewish refugees on the
GermanSpirit of St Louis passenger ship to land in Cuba, here and Canada.
Mainlythat the ban by President Trump is too severe. Stan the Jew
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2017 10:56 am
Subject: [sparkscoffee] The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
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