As I said I have all the proof I need. I understand you have a different
point of view.
Freedom of the Press score 2016, 0 is best - 100 is worst, USA 21,
Russia 83 and China 87.
On 9/13/2016 10:52 AM, Ron Ristad wrote:
By the time the Allied forces entered Germany in 1945 the German army and the German people were starving to death. You would not expect to find prisoners well-fed.
Over 1 million German POW's died in Allied POW camps, aka "Eisenhower's Death Camps" .
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p161_brech.html
These are the horrors of war.
Why is it that we never hear about all the other 60 million people who died? Why are we not constantly being reminded of all the German and Japanese citizens who died from nuclear bombs and the fire bombing of urban German and Japanese population centers, or the millions of people who died in Russian forced labor camps?
-----Original Message-----
From: R George
Sent: Sep 13, 2016 11:04 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Looking for the truth
This is all the proof I need.
RG
U.S. Policy During WWII:
U.S. Army & the Holocaust
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U.S. Policy:Table of Contents
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/us_pol.html>|Auschwitz
Bombing Controversy
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/aubombtoc.html>|"We
Will Never Die"
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/pageant.html>
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On April 5, 1945, units from the American Fourth Armored
Division of the Third Army were the first Americans to
discover a camp with prisoners and corpses.
Ohrdruf
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Ohrdruftoc.html>was
aBuchenwald
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/buchtoc.html>sub-camp,
and of the 10,000 male slave inmates, many had been sent
ondeath marches
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0005_0_05012.html>,
shot in pits, or their corpses were stacked in the woods and
burned. The Americans found the camp by accident – they did
not set out to liberate camps, they happened upon them – and
found starved, frail bodies of hundreds of prisoners who had
managed to survive, as well as the corpses. InNordhausen
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Nordtoc.html>,
on the 11^th , the American Timberwolf Division found 3,000
corpses and 700 starving, ill, and war-wounded survivors who
were slaves in theV-2 rocket factories.
An Austrian-born Jewish U.S. soldier, Fred Bohm, helped
liberateNordhausen
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Nordtoc.html>.
He described fellowGI'sas having "no particular feeling for
fighting the Germans. They also thought that any stories they
had read in the paper, or that I had told them out of
first-hand experience, were either not true or at least
exaggerated. And it did not sink in, what this was all about,
until we got intoNordhausen
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Nordtoc.html>."
When the American Combat Team 9 of the 9^th Armored Infantry
Battalion,Sixth Armored Division
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/6tharmored.html>were
led toBuchenwald
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/buchtoc.html>by
Russians, the camp contained 30,000 prisoners in a pyramid of
power, with German Communists at the top, in the main
barracks, and Jews and gypsies at the bottom, living inLittle
Camp
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/littlecamp.html>,
in an assortment of barns.
Buchenwald
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/buchtoc.html>barrack
prisoners were reasonably healthy looking. TheLittle Camp
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/littlecamp.html>had
1,000 to 1,200 prisoners in a space meant for 450. Witnesses
described prisoners as "emaciated beyond all imagination or
description. Their legs and arms were sticks with huge bulging
joints, and their loins were fouled by their own excrement.
Their eyes were sunk so deep that they looked blind. If they
moved at all, it was with a crawling slowness that made them
look like huge, lethargic spiders. Many just lay in their
bunks as if dead." After liberation, hundreds of prisoners
died daily.
GeneralsGeorge Patton
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Patton.html>,
Omar Bradley, andDwight Eisenhower
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/iketoc.html>arrived
inOhrdruf
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Ohrdruftoc.html>on
April 12, the day of PresidentFranklin D. Roosevelt's
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/fdrtoc.html>death.
They found 3,200 naked, emaciated bodies in shallow
graves.Eisenhower
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/iketoc.html>found
a shed piled to the ceiling with bodies, various torture
devices, and a butcher's block for smashing gold fillings from
the mouths of the dead. Patton became physically ill.
Eisenhower turned white at the scene inside the gates, but
insisted on seeing the entire camp. "We are told that the
American soldier does not know what he was fighting for," he
said. "Now, at least he will know what he is fighting against."
After leavingOhrdruf
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Ohrdruftoc.html>,Eisenhower
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/iketoc.html>wrote
to Chief of Staff General George Marshall, attempting to
describe things that "beggar description." The evidence of
starvation and bestiality "were so overpowering as to leave me
a bit sick," Bradley later wrote about the day: "The smell of
death overwhelmed us."Patton
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Patton.html>,
whose reputation for toughness was legendary, was overcome. He
refused to enter a room where the bodies of naked men who had
starved to death were piled, saying "he would get sick if he
did so," Eisenhower reported. "I visited every nook and
cranny." It was his duty, he felt, "to be in a position from
then on to testify about these things in case there ever grew
up at home the belief … that the stories of Nazi brutality
were just propaganda." (Seemingly, he intuited then that these
crimes might be denied.)
Eisenhower
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/iketoc.html>issued
an order that American units in the area were to visit the
camp. He also issued a call to the press back home. A group of
prominent journalists, led by the dean of American
publishers,Joseph Pulitzer
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/JPulitzer.html>,
came to see theconcentration camps
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/cc.html>.
Pulitzer initially had "a suspicious frame of mind," he wrote.
He expected to find that many of "the terrible reports"
printed in the United States were "exaggerations and largely
propaganda." But they were understatements, he reported.
Within days, Congressional delegations came to visit
theconcentration camps
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/cc.html>,
accompanied by journalists and photographers. GeneralPatton
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Patton.html>was
so angry at what he found atBuchenwald
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/buchtoc.html>that
he ordered the Military Police to go to Weimar, four miles
away, and bring back 1,000 civilians to see what their leaders
had done, to witness what some human beings could do to
others. TheMP's were so outraged they brought back 2,000. Some
turned away. Some fainted. Even veteran, battle-scarred
correspondents were struck dumb. In a legendary broadcast on
April 15,Edward R. Murrow
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/murrow.html>gave
the American radio audience a stunning matter-of-fact
description ofBuchenwald
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/buchtoc.html>,
of the piles of dead bodies so emaciated that those shot
through the head had barely bled, and of those children who
still lived, tattooed with numbers, whose ribs showed through
their thin shirts. "I pray you to believe what I have said
about Buchenwald," Murrow asked listeners. "I have reported
what I saw and heard, but only part of it; for most of it I
have no words." He added, "If I have offended you by this
rather mild account ofBuchenwald
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/buchtoc.html>,
I am not in the least sorry."
It was these reports, the newsreel pictures that were shot and
played in theaters, and the visits of important delegations
that proved to be influential in the public consciousness
ofthe still unnamed German atrocities and the perception that
something awful had been done to the Jews.
Then the American forces liberatedDachau
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/dachautoc.html>,
the first concentration camp built by the Germans in 1933.
There were 67,665 registered prisoners inDachau
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/dachautoc.html>and
its subcamps; 43,350 were political prisoners; 22,100 were
Jews, and a percentage of "others." As Allied forces advanced,
the Germans moved prisoners from concentration camps near the
front to prevent their liberation. Transports arrived atDachau
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/dachautoc.html>continuously,
resulting in severe deterioration of conditions. Typhus
epidemics, poor sanitary conditions, and the weakened state of
the prisoners worsened conditions further and spread disease
even faster.
On April 26, 1945, as the Americans approachedDachau
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/dachautoc.html>about
7,000 prisoners, most of them Jews, were sent on adeath march
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0005_0_05012.html>to
Tegernsee. Three days later, American troops liberated the
main camp and found 28 wagons of decomposing bodies in
addition to thousands of starving and dying prisoners. Then in
early May 1945, American forces liberated the prisoners who
had been sent on the death march.
AfterWorld WarII
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/wwtoc.html>,
the Allies were faced with repatriating 7,000,000displaced
personsinGermany
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Germanytoc.html>andAustria
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Austria.html>,
of whom 1,000,000 refused or were unable to return to their
homes. These included nationals from the Baltic countries,
Poles, Ukrainians, and Yugoslavs who were anti-communists
and/or fascists afraid of prosecution for collaborating with
the Nazis and Jews. The Allies were forced to service citizens
of 52 nationalities in 900DPcamps, under the aegis of
theUnited Nations
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/untoc.html>Relief
and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA). Lack of trained
personnel, absence of a clear policy, and poor planning and
management prevented the agency from fulfilling its role
properly. Private relief organizations were gradually
permitted to operate in the camps, but at best could provide
only partial aid. Consequently, the United States Army, with a
shrinking budget and inexperienced personnel, assumed major
responsibility for theDPs. It was not a responsibility they
anticipated or they welcomed but they had no other choice.
Each national group and religious denomination demanded
recognition of its own problems. In order to avoid charges of
discrimination, the American army adopted a policy of
evenhandedness toward all theDPs, a policy that adversely
affected JewishDPs housed in the same camps with Poles, Baltic
nationals, and Ukrainians. In those camps, the Jews who
survived theHolocaust
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html>remained
exposed to antisemitic discrimination. They were living among
antisemites who had hostility toward them. Furthermore, only
after liberation could survivors begin to feel, to sense what
had been lost. Others could return home, Jewish survivors had
no homes to which to return.
The American army was beleaguered. Trained for war, they had
to juggle multiple assignments: the occupation, the Cold War,
and the problems of survivors who were naturally distrustful
of all authority and in need of medical and psychological
attention.
Short-term problems, such as housing, medical treatment, food,
and family reunification, were acute. The army had no
long-term strategy. The survivors had nowhere to go.Britain
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Englandtoc.html>was
unwilling to permitJewish immigration to Palestine
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Immigration/palims.html>and
theUnited States
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/usatoc.html>was
not ready to receive refugees.
Homosexuals continued to suffer, even with the end of the war.
Paragraph 175 of the German legal code stated that male
homosexuality, but not female lesbianism, was punishable by
imprisonment. After 1943, male homosexuals had been forced to
wear a pink triangle and were sent to the death camps. After
the liberation, the Americans did not repeal Paragraph 175 and
sent homosexual inmates liberated from the camps to other prisons.
Preferential treatment to Jews was denied on the ground that
this would be a confirmation of the Nazi racial doctrine,
which differentiated between Jews and others. The Jews were
therefore dealt with according to their country of origin;
Jews from Germany, for example, were classified as "enemy
aliens," just like the Nazis.
American troops who liberated the concentration camps felt
sympathy for the JewishDPs, and many JewishGISand officers
went out of their way to assist the survivors. But that
sympathy did not extend to men who arrived on following troop
rotations. Unfamiliar with history and facts, they had little
or no sympathy for the Jews. It did not help that
concentration camp survivors mistrusted people, were
hypersensitive, and had acquired habits that did not compare
favorably with the local German and Austrian population. Some
objected to the fact that they took care of their biological
needs in hallways and outside; one officer provided a simple
solution of latrines and the problem ceased.
Americans' contacts with antisemitic Germans stirred up innate
personal prejudices held by troops. Some American commanders
suspected that theDPs from Eastern Europe included Soviet
agents, and that Jews had a predisposition to communist
beliefs. The Army also treated theDPs as if they stood in the
way of the pre-Cold-War rush to rehabilitate Germany. By June
1945, conflicts were heated enough for President Truman to
send Earl G. Harrison to the American Zone on a fact-finding
mission. His visit was complete with political overtones and
his report was a bombshell.
His conclusions were harsh, even overstated:
We appear to be treating the Jews as the Nazis treated
them except that we do not exterminate them. They are in
concentration camps in large numbers under our military
guard instead ofSStroops. One is led to wonder whether the
German people seeing this are not supposing that we are
following or at least condoning Nazi policy.
His recommendations were equally dramatic:
Jews must be recognized as Jews. They should be evacuated
from Germany quickly. One hundred thousand Jews should be
admitted to Palestine. President Truman endorsed the
Report, rebuked the army, and intensified pressure on
Britain. He opened up the United States for limited
immigration.
After the pogrom by Polish fascists that killed 60–70 Jews
in*Kielce, Poland, on July 4, 1946, more than 100,000 Jews
fled to the American Zone aided by*Beriḥah, overcrowding the
camps and straining the Army's budget, but when the
administration tried to close the borders, the American Jews
pressured them to reopen them. Twice the American government
kept the borders open.
From April 1945 to the summer of 1947, the JewishDPpopulation
in the American Zone exploded from 30,000 to 250,000 as the
Jews fled the Soviet Bloc. The Jews had no place else to go,
since no one would take them in. As their needs grew, and U.S.
Army charged with caring for them was being restricted by
budget cuts, the U.S. tried to transfer control of the Jews to
the local German governments, which the Jews refused to accept
under any circumstances.
On April 19, 1947, General Lucius Clay, commander of the
American forces in Germany closed the borders to the American
Zone and deniedUNaid to newcomers, but 12,000 Jews from
Romania and Hungary managed to enter. The American Army
usually closed their eyes to illegal immigration, especially
when the immigrants were Jews. But as time went by, and troops
were replaced, the communication, tolerance, and relationships
deteriorated between the Americans and the Jews, especially in
matters concerning the black market, which led to raids and
even violence.
When Israel was established in May 1948 and Congress passed
the Wiley-Revercomb Displaced Persons bill allowing 100,000DPs
to come to America, the situation changed again. The camps
were essentially empty and changed the Army's attitude to
those who remained behind.
At the end of the day, the Army has been praised by some
historians and scholars, and reviled by others. Typical are
Abraham Hyman who calls the postwar period and the Army's
treatment of the JewishDPs the Army's finest hours. Leonard
Dinnerstein, a historian, criticized the Army for being
insensitive and unduly harsh.
On 9/13/2016 9:54 AM, Ron Ristad wrote:
RG,
That's your proof? Every aspect of the Holocaust narrative either
has no verifiable evidence to back it up, or the evidence
disproves it. If it were true then there should be overwhelming
evidence to support it (official records, bodies, thousands of
photos, intercepted traffic, chemical analysis, etc., etc.) but
there is none. Absolutely none. What evidence there is from
chemical analysis, etc. proves that it could not have happened.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: R George
Sent: Sep 13, 2016 10:34 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Looking for the truth
You know very well what evidence.
The use of extermination camps (also called "death camps")
equipped with gas chambers for the systematic mass extermination
of peoples was an unprecedented feature of the Holocaust.
These were established at Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno,
Jasenovac, Majdanek,
Maly Trostenets, Sobibór, and Treblinka. They were built for
the systematic killing of millions, primarily by gassing, but
also by execution
and extreme work under starvation conditions. Stationary
facilities built for the purpose of mass extermination
resulted from earlier
Nazi experimentation with poison gas during the secret Action
T4 euthanasia programme against mental patients.
Tell these kids how glorious it was to serve Der Fuhrur.
