[sib-access] Re: writing score with some free music
- From: Ramy Moustafa <nagham.lovers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:44:40 +0200
Hello all:
finally, i finished my score that contains the music without bars,
and i set a very big time signature like 126, then i delet the
numbers, adn everything is ok, except 2 things.
1, i discovered that you can hide all your bar lines, then incert any
bar lines that you want with the z key, but it will need sited
assistant to do that.
2, my problem is that, sibelius treats the big bar that has the 126
over 4 like any other bar, so, it put all the bar in 1 line, which
made it impossible to read for sited. we tried me and my wifre to
change teh lay out but wiht no success,
the only solution is that we put 2-2 as time signature then we deleted
the time signature and bar lines, but this is not a good iea,
so, does anyone know how can i tell sibelius to seprat the bar to
different lines not jst 1 line?
Thanks in advance for your help
On 12/11/14, saeed Mirzazadeh <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ramy,
> I suggest to analyse very well your melody phrase by phrase just
> before writing. Make a measure for any motive or figure which can be
> placed in a significant bar. In oriental free-time music we can define
> measures almost precise, but the measures will not be necessarily
> equal, so we may have many bars with different time signatures. For
> example, you may have one 5/8 time, then one 7/8 time, then one 3/4
> time etc. Also we can change the tempo for every bar you feel
> necessary.
> This way helps very well in beam address grouping as we can set for
> every measure if necessary, so the performer will understand and
> perform well enough the music.
> You should know 2 other things: if you hide all the time signature and
> barlines in this writing (remembering that we can not have only a part
> of barlines invisible in a score), you can ask the performer to play
> or sing the rhythm approximately, so you let him/her be some how free
> in performance.
> You can also let the time signatures and barlines be and don't hide
> them. Then the performer has to be more precise and follow almost well
> the rhythm and timing. Anyway you may let him/her be some how free by
> writing some descriptions such as ad libitum, tempo rubato, ... or any
> other description which makes sense of this kind of music performance.
> Hope it's useful!
> Regards,
> Saeed
>
>
> On 12/11/14, ramy moustafa <nagham.lovers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Thanks so much for your advices
>> Can u tell me ur other way?
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:52 PM, saeed Mirzazadeh <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ramy,
>>> Now that you wrote it, it would be fine if you do a revision to the
>>> time signature. I mean if you need just 100 beat instead of 126, set
>>> it to 100/4. Than you will not need to hide any rest, because they
>>> will either be automatically removed or appear in the next bar that
>>> you can simply delete it. Make sure that you have re-write the time
>>> signature for the next bar.
>>> For removing a time signature, press alt+f2 and find the item you want
>>> to delete, then tab once and press spacebar to select it, then press
>>> delete or backspace key.
>>> You can not hide just one barline as far as I know. But what I suppose
>>> is that you may not need to hide any barline in this way.
>>> About your free-time passage, I think it would be fine if you try to
>>> care about the beams. The situation of beams will help the player or
>>> singer to understand well the phrases if they are grouped in
>>> significant way, and will be confusing in contrary way. For being very
>>> precise, I have a suggestion, but in your case I propose that if the
>>> smallest value of your free-time passage is 16th note for example,
>>> when you are setting your time signature, set the beam address group
>>> in a way that the beam of every 16th note is not attached to another
>>> note beam. For this, you have to type in its relative box the number 1
>>> as many as 16th note you may have in your bar, with a comma after each
>>> instead of the last. You should do the same for 8th note, as it has
>>> the beam too. This writing of course is fine for vocal part, and it's
>>> better to group the beams according to the phrases for instrument.
>>> If you are interested to know the other way of mine which is more
>>> precise, let me know.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saeed
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/14, ramy moustafa <nagham.lovers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Hi saeed and chris:
>>>> i set my time signature to 1bf over 4 and it worked, but i've 2
>>>> questions:
>>>> How can i hide the time signature that i wrote? and, i have some spaces
>>>> at
>>>> the end of the very long bar, is there away to hide them or remove
>>>> them?
>>>> my last question is i need to hide just one bar line not all bar lines
>>>> in
>>>> the score, how can i achieve?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>>> faculty of musical education
>>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> what about just marking a passage rubato?
>>>>> At 08:57 AM 12/10/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>> Good idea but it's impossible to count it
>>>>>> Can i set it to 126 over 4 and delete the unnecessary space?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>>>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>>>>> faculty of musical education
>>>>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:23 PM, saeed Mirzazadeh <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ramy,
>>>>>>> It's possible to set the barlines invisible, but it sets for all the
>>>>>>> score. You can do in engraving rules in housestyle menue. In the
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> box, select barline, tab 7 times to find checkboxes, select
>>>>>>> invisible
>>>>>>> as default.
>>>>>>> As you want to insert a free-time passage in your score and you may
>>>>>>> not have all the barlines invisible, I suggest you to set a very
>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>> bar with a time signature which would cover the time of your
>>>>>>> passage,
>>>>>>> such as 8/1 ...
>>>>>>> You have to count how long it will take and how many beats are
>>>>>>> required and so on...
>>>>>>> Then you can hide that time signature by selecting it from system
>>>>>>> items.
>>>>>>> Hope it helps.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Saeed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/10/14, Ramy Moustafa <nagham.lovers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i need to write a score now, but it has some places that with no
>>>>>>>> count, just improvising. the singer sing without any count or bars.
>>>>>>>> i can hit the n key and start write,
>>>>>>>> but how can i remove thh bar lines after i will finish? or is there
>>>>>>>> another way of doing this?
>>>>>>>> in sibelius?
>>>>>>>> Thanks
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