[SI-LIST] Re: ppm related question
- From: david mullenex <mullenex@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx>, Anand Srinivasan <sanand@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Anand,
While the problem my be in your switch clocking scheme,
I suggest that you verify your test bed setup first. I
suspect that the IXIA is configured to send 100% line
rate at the high end of the allowable clock rate, i.e.
at the +50ppm setting to ostensibly stress you switch
design. The inter-packet gap (IPG) on you packet
generator may also be set to a minimum while your
switch is set to a higher IPG.
Good luck,
David.
----- Original Message ----
Anand Srinivasan wrote:
> Thanks Steve,
> As you said that ethernet is designed to use independent clocks. The
> problem that I am seeing is due to the fact that I am transmitting at
> 100% line rate all the time for testing purpose and am seeing the fifo's
> overrunning. (though in real systems ethernet will be a bursty traffic).
> I have a strange observation that in none of previous switches did I
> have to reduce the ppm in IXIA to trasmit data at 100% line rate, but I
> am required to do so in this switch. I believe that in any set-up there
> be a clock variation between the sending and receiving parties. At 100%
> line rates shouldn't this accumulation lead to overruns or underruns on
> the buffers or fifo's all the time?
>
> Thanks,
> Anand
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve weir [mailto:weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:15 AM
> To: Anand Srinivasan
> Cc: Si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] ppm related question
>
> Anand,
>
> 1. Yes, a PLL generates a slave clock that tracks the reference within
> the bandwidth of the loop, subject to disturbances affecting the VCO.
> 2. No, variation means any deviation from the reference up to and
> including the specified limit. Usually this is unsigned as for example:
>
> +/-50ppm
> 3. Yes, there are many SI and PI phenomena that impair clock timing.
> 4. Yes, PLL, DLL etc.
>
> Ethernet is designed to use independent rather than hierarchical clocks.
>
> You should not need to lock clocks between stations.
>
> Steve.
>
> Anand Srinivasan wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I have an IXIA packet generator/analyzer providing ethernet data
>>
> streams
>
>> to my switch. I am finding that the switch is receiving data at a rate
>> that is slightly higher than the rate at which switch is transmitting
>> data. I attribute this to some clock ppm variations in the switch. I
>> have some questions related to the ppm variation in clocks:
>>
>> 1. If i have a clock of X MHz and if i feed this clock to a pll to
>>
> get
>
>> a clock of freq Y Mhz, will the ppm variation of the clocks X and Y
>> remain the same?
>> 2. When we state that there is a +100 ppm variation from X MHz in the
>> clock, does this mean that the clock now is a constant frequency of (X
>> MHz + 100ppm)? or does it dynamically vary between X MHz and (X MHz +
>> 100ppm)?
>> 3. Would signal integrities issues on the board affect ppm variations
>>
> in
>
>> clocks?
>> 4. Is there any on-board correction methodologies that can be applied
>>
> to
>
>> adjust the ppm variations in clocks?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anand
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