Thanks all for the input. I was/am indeed interested in both the list of what people use and their impressions of strengths and weakness etc. This gives me a starting point for my own investigations. Andy >> >>Ken, >> >>Ken Cantrell wrote: >> >>> Fabrizio, >>> That wasn't the question. I didn't ask for opinions, just data. Don't want >>> to know your "favorite". Your favorite works for you in your work paradigm, >>> and may not work for someone else. Let's keep this unbiased. >>> Ken >>> >> >>The original post for this thread was from Andy Barr. >>Here was his question: >> >>>I am looking for recommendations to do post layout data extraction >>>and simulation for crosstalk etc. Anybody out there have their >>>favorite method? I am interested both in tools and in companies >>>that do this as a service. >> >> >>I believe Andy did want to hear what works for everyone. >> >>For post layout data extraction and simulation at SiQual we use: >> >>For Planar board structures and frequencies below 1 GHz we use: >>Cadence SpectraQuest >>Mentor Interconnectix >> >>For precise planar studies we often use: >>Ansoft 2D >>Avanti Hspice >> >>For 3D structure model extraction and Analysis we use: >>Ansoft 3D >>Avanti Hspice >> >>For High Frequency structures we use: >>Ansoft HFSS >> >> >>There are many other very good tools available: >> >>Apsim has some very nice "point" tools for specific jobs. >>Sigrity has very good planar power analysis software. >>Innoveda has several very nice planar SI tools, Hyperlynx and Quad. >>Ansoft has a good package model extractor in TPA, and it's getting better. >>HP has a very good high frequency planar s-parameter simulator in ADS. >> >>We are quite successful in performing analysis of advanced designs >>with the tools that we use and have developed hundreds of products with them, >>at frequences ranging up to 10 GHz. I would have no problem recommending >>the other good tools above to someone who might be interested. >> >>So many tools, so many projects ... so little time. >> >> >>best regards, >> >>scott >> >>(p.s. - Oh, and we also perform this work as a consulting service from time >>to time.) >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu