[SI-LIST] Re: post layout SI analysis
- From: "Andrew H.Barr" <andyb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:26:50 PDT
Thanks all for the input. I was/am indeed interested in both
the list of what people use and their impressions of strengths
and weakness etc. This gives me a starting point for my own
investigations.
Andy
>>
>>Ken,
>>
>>Ken Cantrell wrote:
>>
>>> Fabrizio,
>>> That wasn't the question. I didn't ask for opinions, just data. Don't want
>>> to know your "favorite". Your favorite works for you in your work paradigm,
>>> and may not work for someone else. Let's keep this unbiased.
>>> Ken
>>>
>>
>>The original post for this thread was from Andy Barr.
>>Here was his question:
>>
>>>I am looking for recommendations to do post layout data extraction
>>>and simulation for crosstalk etc. Anybody out there have their
>>>favorite method? I am interested both in tools and in companies
>>>that do this as a service.
>>
>>
>>I believe Andy did want to hear what works for everyone.
>>
>>For post layout data extraction and simulation at SiQual we use:
>>
>>For Planar board structures and frequencies below 1 GHz we use:
>>Cadence SpectraQuest
>>Mentor Interconnectix
>>
>>For precise planar studies we often use:
>>Ansoft 2D
>>Avanti Hspice
>>
>>For 3D structure model extraction and Analysis we use:
>>Ansoft 3D
>>Avanti Hspice
>>
>>For High Frequency structures we use:
>>Ansoft HFSS
>>
>>
>>There are many other very good tools available:
>>
>>Apsim has some very nice "point" tools for specific jobs.
>>Sigrity has very good planar power analysis software.
>>Innoveda has several very nice planar SI tools, Hyperlynx and Quad.
>>Ansoft has a good package model extractor in TPA, and it's getting better.
>>HP has a very good high frequency planar s-parameter simulator in ADS.
>>
>>We are quite successful in performing analysis of advanced designs
>>with the tools that we use and have developed hundreds of products with them,
>>at frequences ranging up to 10 GHz. I would have no problem recommending
>>the other good tools above to someone who might be interested.
>>
>>So many tools, so many projects ... so little time.
>>
>>
>>best regards,
>>
>>scott
>>
>>(p.s. - Oh, and we also perform this work as a consulting service from time
>>to time.)
>>
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