Brian, Take a look at NVPlanner - and use hyperlynx as the back simulation engine, my solution is cheaper! see www.nvplanner.com[1] Keith Kowal 781-593-0199 epd2001usa@xxxxxxxxxxx[2] www.nvplanner.com[3] >From: "Hargin, Bill" >Reply-To: bill_hargin@xxxxxxxxxxx >To: "'arap@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'" ,"[SI-LIST]" >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: ePlanner(Scratchpad)/XTK from Innoveda >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:49:55 -0800 >>>Hi Brian: >>>For one of our modules, we have a CAD house that uses PowerPCB and a = >>design >>organization that uses OrCAD. =A0 For another module, we also have a = >>design >>organization that uses Design Capture/Expedition from Mentor. >>Our SI = >>tools >>are ePlanner(Scratchpad)/XTK from Innoveda (which is now Mentor). >>A lot of goodoptions in this thread ... One other solution that wasn't mentioned may be the easiest of all. >>INPUT FORMATS: >- OrCAD/PADS >- Mentor DC/Expedition>>OUTPUTS: >- ePlanner Scratchpad >- XTK (although I'm not clearwhat version you have; you mentioned a "limited" version) >>POSSIBLE SOLUTION: >- HyperLynx BoardSim, which will read in a PADS or Expediton database, and includes a handy export routine for both ePlanner and XTK, including setting up XTK's ISF and QNF files. If all you need is "middleware," BoardSim may be the easiest go-between for the tools mentioned.Additionally, you may find that you like it for simulation, as well. >>There's a new HyperLynx 7.0 demo on the Web that would allow you to check it out: www.mentor.com/hyperlynx >>Best Regards, >Bill Hargin >Mentor Graphics Corp. >High-Speed Tools >425-497-5079 - Direct >>>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tadashi Arai [mailto:arap@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:32 PM >>To: [SI-LIST] >>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: ePlanner(Scratchpad)/XTK from Innoveda >>>>>>>>Howdy, >>>>>It is also possible to bring an Orcad design into ePlanner >>using the EDIF >>>format, but I have only looked at it and not actually done it. >>>>ePlanner can eat schematic only from ViewDraw, ConceptHDL, or >>DesignArchtect. But if you have latest version of OrCAD >>Capture, it has >>capability to export ConceptHDL-compatible output via Tools | Create >>Netlist | Allegro. >>I tried, however, and found it is hard job for me, because I need to >>"sanitize" my schematics and databases for creating consistent output. >>>>BTW, >>ePlanner have got ability of post-layout simulation in latest release. >>It (is said to) works with PowerPCB, which you also need latest one. >>I have not tried yet, how does another think ? >>And... how about us talking such "tool-specific" topic, we >>have another >>list, "hypertalk" , and it is quiet... >>>>Good luck. >>>>On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:38:22 -0800 >>Alan Hilton-Nickel wrote: >>>>>>>>Hi Brian, >>>>>>You're not too likely to use Scratchpad to do post-layout analysis. >>>Scratchpad is more of a theoretical, what-if tool for >>making decisions based >>>on an abstract transmission line model. >>>>>>You'll need to use XTK for post-layout analysis. For >>prelayout, the correct >>>tool for the job is ePlanner, whichcan be used to impose >>and manage layout >>>constraints. >>>>>>I suggest you talk with the Mentor/Innoveda folks, but they >>have utilities >>>to convert PowerPCB and Mentor files to XTK's ISF and QNF >>formats for post >>>layout analysis. Those tools can also bring a board layout file into >>>ePlanner. If the design is already laid out I can't see >>that being useful, >>>but if there is no or only partial routing then this is >>something you'll >>>want to do. >>>>>>It is also possible to bring an Orcaddesign into ePlanner >>using the EDIF >>>format, but I have only looked at it and not actually done it. >>>>>>Good luck, >>>>>>Alan Hilton-Nickel >>>NVIDIA Corp. >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Aspnes, Brian D [mailto:brian.d.aspnes@xxxxxxxxx] >>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:58 PM >>>>To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Subject: [SI-LIST] ePlanner(Scratchpad)/XTKfrom Innoveda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For one of our modules,we have a CAD house that uses >>PowerPCB and a = >>>>design >>>>organization that uses OrCAD. =A0 For another module, we >>also have a = >>>>design >>>>organization that uses Design Capture/Expedition from Mentor. >>>>Our SI = >>>>tools >>>>are ePlanner(Scratchpad)/XTK from Innoveda (which is now >>Mentor). =20 >>>>>>>>I'm looking for something that can take the databases from the two >>>>organizations and pull the CAD data into Scratchpad and >>run some SI >>>>simulations with a common database. Given a PowerPCB file >>>>(either .asc = >>>>or >>>>.pcb) or the OrCAD file (.dsn, etc.), does anyone know of >>any tools = >>>>that are >>>>available to get the "post layout" net information from >>>>OrCAD/PowerPCB = >>>>into >>>>Mentor's Scratchpad (ePlanner/XTK from Innoveda) for SI >>>>simulations? = >>>>Is >>>>there a solution for Design Capture/Expedition? I believe >>>>that XTK can = >>>>do >>>>this, but I'm wondering about ePlanner/Scratchpad because we >>>>don't have >>>>enough of the XTK full licenses. =20 >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>Tounsubscribe from si-list: >>>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the >>Subject field >>>>>>>>or to administer your membershipfrom a web page, go to: >>>>//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list >>>>>>>>For help: >>>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field >>>>>>>>List archives are viewable at: >>>>//www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >>>>or at our remote archives: >>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >>>>Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: >>>>http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu >>>>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- ->>>To unsubscribe from si-list: >>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the >>Subject field >>>>>>or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >>>//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list >>>>>>Forhelp: >>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field >>>>>>List archives are viewable at: >>>//www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >>>or at our remote archives: >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >>>Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: >>>http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu >>>>>>>>>>//// /// // / / / / / / / / >>/ / >>Tadashi Arai//Platform Design Dept.,Mobile Computing Div. >>Fujitsu Limited >>arap@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx TEL:+81-42-370-7617 Ohmaru, Inagi-shi, >>Tokyo, Japan >>/ / / / / / / / / >>// // //// >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>To unsubscribe from si-list: >>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field >>>>or to administer your membership from a web page, goto: >>//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list >>>>For help: >>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field >>>>List archives are viewable at: >>//www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >>or atour remote archives: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >>Old(prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: >>http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field >>or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list >>For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field >>List archives are viewable at: >//www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: >http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 [4]and get 2 months FREE* --- Links --- 1 http://www.nvplanner.com 2 mailto:epd2001usa@xxxxxxxxxxx 3 http://www.nvplanner.com/ 4 http://g.msn.com/8HMSENUS/2731 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu