[SI-LIST] Re: SI Intro for your review (If you need support on High Speed Design and Signal Integrity)
- From: steve weir <weirsp@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: muqawwat@xxxxxxxxxxx, <victor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<jeff.loyer@xxxxxxxxx>, <jacque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Ken Cantrell" <Ken.Cantrell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:57:37 -0800
Agathon, that's too funny. The experience of blowing off one toe was
apparently so rewarding that Jacque felt compelled to unload the entire
magazine. What part of the no advertising notice did he miss?
At 02:21 PM 11/18/2003 -0800, agathon wrote:
>Disclaimer: for those not interested in this thread, exercise
>your index finger to delete, assuming that's not too difficult.
>Mr. Nader has cast a personal attack on many subscribers,
>veiled within an "apology". This, by common rules of discussion,
>requires a rebuttal to be permitted.
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>It appears there's not anyone at this company "sintegrity" that
>knows from which end of the gun the bullet emerges. Another
>has, sadly, shot himself in the head.
>
>(All the following is merely obvious. For the most relevant
>commentary, I also recommend that URL:
>http://pbskids.org/teletubbies/hints/nurseryrhyme8.html
>The audio is automatic but may have some delay.)
>
>
>Allow me to deliver the post mortem...
>
>
> > It appears that we stumbled upon a discussion forum for signal integrity
> > experts in our quest to find a forum where customers seek help with SI
> > issues. We did not intend to disrespect the forum's rules by advertising.
> > For this we are sincerely apologetic.
>
>Your point? That you stumbled? Yes that's true. Your excuse
>about your "quest" is dead on arrival. You appear to be saying
>that a forum of the 2nd kind cannot be the same as one of the
>1st kind. Please elaborate on this theory... on 2nd thought,
>spare us and do not.
>
>In summary, doesn't sound apologetic to me.
>Instead, the peculiar human condition called 'denial' is evident.
>Instead of just going away, you revisit the scene of the crime
>and blather away, assuming we're all just as, well...
>silly as you.
>
>
> > It is regretful that certain individuals have resorted to bigotry ...
> > ...we would assume there is no place for bigotry or racism either.
> > Especially among intelligent individuals.
>
>Yes, it's the tried and true "We're not parasites, you're bigoted!"
>defense.
>
>I would say intelligent people don't go around accusing others
>of bigotry or racism when they are rebuked for being stupid... it
>just affirms the appearance of, well... stupidity.
>
>Was it the "parasite" comment? Well, if it walks like a duck,
>sounds like a duck, then... it's a duck, even if the duck doesn't
>wanna be a duck or doesn't think he's a duck. It's just nature.
>Understand?
>I'm sure the parasite doesn't "want" that life; it'd rather be
>Luciano Pavarotti or Isaac Newton if it had awareness, but it's
>just not in the cards.
>
>Let me add some more humorous evidence of that carelessness
>that sintegrity might want to patent... Mr. Nader attaches below
>a prior response by someone that acknowledges the diversity issue
>but says "...my [prior] comments stand.".
>Among that sender's prior comments was that [sintegrity] "...have
>their heads up their butts. I bet you didn't know that, did you?"
>No, evidently not. You see, my stupidity detector does not lie.
>
>The same responder says: "you get what you pay for". Those
>working with Jacque deserve the results, good or bad.
>And, what "you pay for" doesn't mean simply a dollar figure. It
>implies there's a due diligence cost that must be paid, as well.
>
>Now, about this "diversity" stuff...
>
>I could be from anywhere and agree with the responders slamming
>Frere Jacque. And, our dubiously-French friend, Jacque, operating
>within any country, would deserve the same criticism as given,
>regardless of his "diversity" quotient.
>
>__Diversity is irrelevant__ except to Jacque & Co., who are trying
>to use it in the most destructive fashion. He only fails because of
>that tendency to "stumble", luckily for the rest of us. Now it appears
>Mr. Nader is trying to hide behind diversity, as well. In my book that's
>called reverse-racism. Mr. Nader, just take your medicine like a man
>and begone.
>
>So, to answer the question 'Do we need some "Diversity" guidelines for
>this forum?', I would say in this case: uh....no, unless too many
>start confusing bigotry with truth-telling.
>
>-enuf said
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Victor Nader
> To: jeff.loyer@xxxxxxxxx ; johnlipsius@xxxxxxxxx ; jacque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
>sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Ken Cantrell
> Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Ray Anderson
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] Re: SI Intro for your review (If you need
> support on High Speed
>Design and Signal Integrity)
>
>
> Members of the SI list -
>
> It appears that we stumbled upon a discussion forum for signal
> integrity experts in our
>quest to find a forum where customers seek help with SI issues. We did not
>intend to
>disrespect the forum's rules by advertising. For this we are sincerely
>apologetic.
>
> It is regretful that certain individuals have resorted to bigotry to
> get their message (the
>appropriate message being contaminated by personal opinion) across. Just
>as there is no place
>for advertising in this forum, we would assume there is no place for
>bigotry or racism either.
>Especially among intelligent individuals.
>
> Sincerely,
> The Engineers at Sintegrity.
>
>
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Ken Cantrell" <Ken.Cantrell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:48:49 -0700
>
> >All,
> >I agree with Jeff on the diversity issue completely. It's a garden that
> >needs constant tending (on all sides). I would also point out that I
> wasn't
> >aware that Jacque's posting was "offshore" when I made my comments. I
> >thought he was from SoCal, probably South Bay. So my comments stand.
> >Ken
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Loyer, Jeff
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:22 AM
> >To: johnlipsius@xxxxxxxxx; jacque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> >info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ray Anderson
> >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: SI Intro for your review (If you need support on
> >High Speed Design and Signal Integrity)
> >
> >
> >I personally am more offended by the sentence "get a real job in your =
> >own country perhaps, not as a parasite here" as I am by the original =
> >posting. Jacque, please don't take that comment as an indication of how =
> >the majority of any group feels.
> >
> >I am feeling that more and more unprofessional attacks are finding their =
> >way onto this list, and am getting reluctant to post, feeling that I may =
> >be opening myself to personal affronts. I hope they will decrease =
> >again.
> >
> >Do we need some "Diversity" guidelines for this forum?
> >
> >Jeff Loyer
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of john lipsius
> >Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:33 PM
> >To: jacque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: SI Intro for your review (If you need support on
> >High Speed Design and Signal Integrity)
> >
> >
> >All,
> >Let me be the second... what fun...
> >
> >http://pbskids.org/teletubbies/hints/nurseryrhyme8.html
> >
> >the old nursery school rhyme...
> >Fr=E8re Jacques,
> >Fr=E8re Jacques,
> >Dormez-vous?
> >Dormez-vous?
> >Sonnez les matines,
> >Sonnez les matines,
> >Ding, dang, dong!
> >Ding, dang, dong!
> >
> >translation...
> >Brother Jacques,
> >Brother Jacques,
> >Are you sleeping?
> >Are you sleeping?
> >Morning Bells are ringing,
> >Morning Bells are ringing,
> >Ding, dang, dong!
> >Ding, dang, dong!
> >
> >
> >It's morning, Jacque (you forgot the "s"). And
> >morning bells are ringing. But I don't think you have
> >the awareness to wake up to the foolishness you
> >display.... perhaps most of the subscribers to this
> >list are the ones which you say you can replace with
> >your minions. To wit:
> >
> >"Our firm is able to save you lots of money by offering you more than
> >one individual for a fraction of the annual Salary of one Signal =
> >Integrity
> >Engineer."
> >
> >Well, for practically zero dollars you have advertised yourself and your
> >company as committed to undermining further the employment
> >situation in engineering, especially for US citizens (as they are most
> >affected). Your stunning lack of awareness leads one to believe
> >you're actually not very sharp in engineering, as well.
> >
> >So, not only have you aimed the gun at your foot, but you're a poor
> >shot, for the bullet ended up in the head.
> >An honest reaction may well be: get a real job in your own
> >country perhaps, not as a parasite here.
> >But don't take it too personally. It's just an honest reaction.
> >-bye now
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: Tom Dagostino
> > To: jacque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:15 PM
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: SI Intro for your review (If you need support =
> >on High Speed Design
> >and Signal Integrity)
> >
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > Let me be the first to slam you for commercial use of this system. =
> >Its a
> > no-no, against the rules, verboten. This is supposed to be a forum =
> >for
> > exchange of ideas and questions.
> >
> > Congrats on your first piece of negative PR for your firm.
> >
> > Tom Dagostino
> > Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
> > 2926 SE Yamhill St. Device Modeling Division
> > Portland, OR 97214 13610 SW Harness Lane
> > Beaverton, OR 97008
> > http://www.teraspeed.com 503-430-1065
> > tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of =
> >Jacque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:22 PM
> > To: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] SI Intro for your review (If you need support on =
> >High
> > Speed Design and Signal Integrity)
> >
> >
> > Dear Sir / Madam,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As you know with the increasing demand for High Speed Design and =
> >Signal
> > Integrity, we have noticed that your company also could be looking
> >
> > for certain design engineering firms and high speed design engineering =
> >teams
> > with Signal Integrity & High Speed Design experience.
> >
> > Our firm is able to save you lots of money by offering you more than =
> >one
> > individual for a fraction of the annual Salary of one Signal Integrity
> > Engineer.
> >
> > I represent the company called Sintegrity Corporation located in =
> >Irvine, CA
> > USA, and we are a specialized board design and circuit simulation =
> >Company.
> >
> > We have expertise in various areas such as Simulation, layout and =
> >trouble
> > shooting (System, sub system, PCB)
> >
> > At any point we could at least allocate 10 very experienced Designers =
> >to
> > handle your project bandwidth.
> >
> > We also have a much larger network of qualified Consultants.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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