I agree with that. This book is on my list of books to buy and I pass it around in all of my hi speed design classes. Same for Howard Johnson's two books. Lee > [Original Message] > From: Loyer, Jeff <jeff.loyer@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <hmurray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <farshadsarabchi@xxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 1/19/2004 8:00:33 AM > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: I'm looking for a book on high-speed PCB design > > I would add the Hall/Hall/McCall book "High-Speed Digital System Design" > as a must-have, also. > > Jeff Loyer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Hal Murray > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:00 AM > To: farshadsarabchi@xxxxxxxxx > Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; hmurray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: I'm looking for a book on high-speed PCB design=20 > > > > > I'm looking for a good book on high-speed PCB design. I have a > > bachelor degree in EE so I don't mind some mathematical analysis, but > > what I really want is good, practical advice supported by the revelant > > equations (kind of like what the Art of Electronics was to analog > > circuit design). =20 > > No questions. The top of my list is: > > Johnson and Graham: > High-Speed Digital Design: A Handbook of Black Magic > http://signalintegrity.com/books.htm#hsdd > > Most of my friends just call it "Black Magic". > > It's 10 years old. The examples use DIPs rather than BGAs. But it > covers=20 > the basics and does it in a way that's easy to understand. > > I like the style. It's got the same feel as the Art of Electronics. > Every=20 > time I go to look something up I get sucked in to browsing a section or > 3. =20 > It feels like an old friend. > > > Hot off the press. =20 > > Lee Ritchey: > Right the First Time, A Practical Handbook on > High Speed PCB and System Design > http://www.speedingedge.com/rtft_book.htm > > I haven't spent much time with it yet, so I'm not as attached to it as > as I=20 > am to "Black Magic". I like it. When I showed to a friend, he said > "This is=20 > good", and after flipping a few more pages he said "This is really > good!". > > > There is a follow on to Black Magic: > > Johnson and Graham: > High-Speed Signal Propagation: Advanced Black Magic > http://signalintegrity.com/books.htm > > It's new/different material, not an update of the old version. (Read > their=20 > web page.) > > I don't like it as much. I'm not sure why. Probably I haven't been as=20 > interested in the material. > > > > If you can, I suggest finding a friend or co-worker who has them and is=20 > willing to let you browse for a day or three. > > > > --=20 > The suespammers.org mail server is located in California. So are all my > other mailboxes. Please do not send unsolicited bulk e-mail or > unsolicited > commercial e-mail to my suespammers.org address or any of my other > addresses. > These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: =20 > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu