Also, You can also think about a parallel device (switch) connected to the power supply that is DC coupled. The device can be a single FPGA with outputs connected to the power supply (DC coupled) set somewhere in the 50 ohm range. You can tune the amount of noise by turning off and on the outputs. -Jory ----- Original Message ---- From: Istvan Novak <istvan.novak@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Zhangkun <zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx> Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:58:51 AM Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: How to couple noise to the PDN of oscillator Zhangkun, The 0.1-ohm impedance on your oscillator PDN requires 1A to create 0.1V injected noise. You can generate 1A AC current with a suitable opamp, or by a transformer or by a separate power amplifier. Each will have its own challenge. Opamps down like to work across low load impedance, and if you you a transformer to raise the load impedance presented to the opamp output, you likely to run into slew-rate limits at higher frequencies. Regardless of how you inject the noise, a major limiting factor is the inductance connecting to your final 0.1-ohm rail. If my math is correct, a 25MHz corner frequency with 0.1-ohm requires a nanoHenry inductance or less. As long as you stay with sinewaves and dont need a flat transfer response from your noise source to the 0.1-ohm PDN point, you can use brute force (a power amplifier), but it takes a lot of power: to generate 1A with a 50-ohm source (without transformer), you need 50V. Assuming rms voltages and currents, this corresponds to 50W. Another option to consider is a two-stage step-down: first use a transformer to step from 50 ohms say to one ohm, followed by a resistive step-down from 1 ohm to 0.1 ohm. The 1W resistive divider can be small size and wide band. Similarly the 50:1 impedance matching transformer can afford up to 10nH inductance on the output connection, probably allowing you to create a flat transfer response over the entire frequency range you are interested in. This would allow you to create a constant output level without manual or automated level corrections, plus you could use waveforms other than sinewave without major distortion. Regards, Istvan Novak SUN Microsystems Zhangkun wrote: > Dear all > > Now we are studying the effect of power noise on jitter. We meet a problem, > how to couple noise to the PDN. For example, we want to couple noise of > 25MHz into the PDN of oscillator. However there is impedance dismatch. The > impedance of signal source is about 50ohm and that of PDN is about 0.1ohm. > The energy would be reflected. > > Any advice would be helpful > > Best Regards > > Zhangkun > 2008.5.14 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu