Hi, Graham: I tried it on both of our simulators: Full-Wave EM Simualtor IE3D and Formula Based LineGauge. LineGauge predicts the Zc = 47.3 ohms while IE3D predicts frequency dependent Zc as follows: Freq (GHz) IE3D_Zc 1 49.7 5 49.3 10 49.1 15 48.9 20 48.6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jian X. Zheng, Ph.D., Zeland Software, Inc. 48834 Kato Road, 103A, Fremont, CA 94538, U.S.A. Tel: 510-623-7162, Fax: 510-623-7135 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Brooks Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:21 AM To: GrahamDavies@xxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Finding the impedance of a PCB trace As an added reference, the new Polar Quicksolver gives Zo for these dimensions as 47.38 Ohms The new UltraCAD differential calculator (single ended calculations are free) does not allow a value for H less than 4 mils, BUT, you can scale everything up by a factor of two (check this out with the Polar calculator, you get the same result) and when you do that the UltraCAD calculator gives a value for Zo of 48.5 Ohms. The new UltraCAD calculator will also do differential calculations, but a license is required. Doug Brooks At 02:28 PM 4/29/2005, Graham Davies wrote: >This is, of course, related to my search for a good 6-layer stackup. > >What is the impedance of a PCB trace (microstrip) with the following >parameters: >Width ......................... 6.00 mil >Height above return plane ..... 3.20 mil >Thickness ..................... 1.35 mil (1 ounce copper) >Dielectric rel. permittivity .. 4.2 > >These are the answers I get from various tools: > >41... ohms (http://www.icd.com.au/) >41.69 ohms (http://www.emclab.umr.edu/pcbtlc/microstrip.html) >41.69 ohms (TraceSim version 1.0.0) >41.69 ohms (http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php? >aiocp_dp=util_pcb_imp_calculator) >41.7 .ohms (http://www.sunmantechnology.com/resources/cal_cat00.shtml) >46.14 ohms (ZTOOL Impedance Calculator V1.2) >47.31 ohms (http://www.rogers-corp.com/mwu/mwi_java/mwij_vp.html) >50.89 ohms (http://www.csgnetwork.com/boardrunimpcalc.html) >51.27 ohms (TxLine version 1.1) > >Does anyone have an idea as to why these calculators give results >that vary by 20% and which are more reliable? > >Graham. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu