Hi Zhangkun, Its very important to differentiate between an inductor and a ferrite bead. A ferrite bead typically has minimal impedance in the kHz range and really only starts to kick in in the 10s of MHz range. An inductor, on the other hand, can exhibit LARGE reative impedance in the kHz range (depending on the value) - but will also exhibit resonances that need to be damped. Chas -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Zhangkun Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:53 PM To: si-list Subject: [SI-LIST] Decoupling for PLL (continued) Dear all Recently, I have done some measurement. It is found that when the bead(inductor) is used, the power ground noise at 333KHz from VRM is larger. There is some noise near the clock frequency points. For example, the output clock of PLL is 50MHz. At 50.333MHz and 49.667MHz, there is noise, which is in proportion to the noise at 333KHz. Maybe the PLL modulates the noise of VRM into the output clock. Is there any SPICE model for PLL? Best Regards Zhangkun 2004.9.3 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu