Baoshu XU, Latch-up on CMOS circuits is a difficult thing to simulate. Normally in CMOS spice networks transistors, metal/poly resistors, and transistor diodes are modelled. For latch-up body contacts, diffusion/well resistance, and bipolar gain should be modelled. Since there are normally not models for these large devices (normal parasitic CMOS bipolars are small) it would be difficult to extract these parasitic devices to form networks that can be simulated for latch-up current triggering. Through out the years several people in the industry have successfully simulated to warn of a potential bad layout situation that could lead to a latch-up problem. But these would be technology and design rule specific. To illustrate the problem I have an example. In a 0.5u circuit I built an SCR (for a ESD circuit) that triggered at 3V. In the next generation technology (0.3u) the same circuit triggered at 10V. Basically the STI (trench isolation) in the killed the lateral bipolar gain even though the circuit layouts were almost identical. -------------------------------------------------------------- | Bill Cohen | Toshiba America Electronic Components, Circuit Design Group | Donald Lynch Blvd., 3rd Floor, Marlborough, MA 01752 | | email: wcohen@xxxxxxxx | office: (508) 486-1031 fax: (508) 481-8828 -------------------------------------------------------------- "Baoshu XU" <xbs@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: cc: si-list-bounce@fre Subject: [SI-LIST] Can SPICE model CMOS latch-up? elists.org 08/10/01 04:57 AM Please respond to xbs Dear SI Gurus, Does anybody successfully simuated a latch-up effect in CMOS circuit? I am wondering whether spice can model a latch-up at all. My answer is not except that the lateral transistors are explicitly included in the spice netlist. what do you think? Tell me how if you have done simulation with latch-up. Best Regards, Signal Integrity Group Huawei, China Tel: (86-0755) 6540554 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu