For the most part, look at the difference between judging at the Specialties VS the All Breeds. You can GENERALIZE judging into two catagories - AB judges who put up the typical "generic show dog" - clean at both ends with no glaring faults but in many cases no glaring attributes either and Specialty judges who put up the "superstar" with SOMETIMES glaring faults becasue he/she IS a superstar. Perhaps the effect of the existing photos in the Illustrated Standard????? Before folks start flaming because of my statements I KNOW THERE ARE DOGS WHO WIN IN BOTH RINGS - I OWN ONE OF TEHM!!! I also know three are judges who do a good job - in either ring. I ARE ONE OF THEM!!! LOL [Shut up! I don't want to hear negatives!!] The breed has changed while remaining within the standard. It is important that the photos in the Illustrated Standard represent OR AT LEAST RESEMBLE dogs we want to SEE winning in BOTH rings! JMO. Suzanne www.tsalishepherds.com Home of Ch Firedog, Ch Cookie, Ch Flair, BIS/BISS Ch Yancy, Ch Flash, and Lil' Miss Dancer!! Website updated 11/04 -------------- Original message -------------- > I have a question for all of you. There is great concern among the membership > on > the pictures used to describe the illustrated standard. That being the case, > will you guys tell me how the current pictures being used has affected the > breed? > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================