In a message dated 8/24/2005 12:49:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: Also how do the canidates feel about fhe NIS issue? We need to emphasis with any guide for a judge the best, not what is lacking in faults and therefore can be average. Evan, the NIS is not only for judges but also for breeders who need to have faults outlined. You're looking at the NIS from the viewpoint of someone who has been in the breed for a long time. Try looking at it as someone who knows little or nothing about the breed as some new judges and those new to the breed. Goldbecker/Hart's first book is what illustrated faults and although the standard listed them, illustrations are what put them in your face. Faults need to be known before we can perceive perfection. JMO. I am disappointed to hear that the NIS project has been withdrawn from consideration. Shame on the naysayers. *\|/* *\|/* Ellen *\|/* *\|/* ***From w.NY*** http://www.geocities.com/jeenellyn33/ MEMBER: GSDCA ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================