Well, I disagree with these comments. Many of the ISs I've seen do, it's true, show faults. However, I cannot repeat enough that this does two things, and neither is the desired result. One is to confuse people...no kidding, people get mixed up between what is right and what is incorrect. Two, it leads to fault judging. My idea of what should be in an Illustrated Standard is only what is correct. The point should be to train the eye of the reader, be that reader a judge or a breeder, new or old. These people will discover soon enough what all the faults are...if they are breeders, everyone they know will be very quick to point out the faults of any dogs around (except their own, of course), and if they are judges, they should be referred to the other sources of information on the breed where there are plenty of illustrations of what is NOT wanted. The IS should be a reference point for what is RIGHT. Train the eye first...the rest will come later, and if it doesn't, well, there are many people around who could do a great job judging once they know what to look for...telling them what NOT to look for is sort of self-defeating. You don't teach someone how to bake a cake by telling them not to turn on the oven, for example. The first time they forget to do that they learn not to ever forget it again. TEACH WHAT IS RIGHT, ALWAYS. The wrong stuff is easy enough to find. I congratulate the Committee on "pulling" the NIS. It did represent lots and lots of work and thought, which I'm sure everyone appreciates, particularly those of us who've done it ourselves, and it speaks well for the Committee Members that they realized that if this many people on the list were unhappy with it, it probably was not going to be well received by the intended audience, either. Peggy EllenH33@xxxxxxx wrote: >Evan, the NIS is not only for judges but also for breeders who need to have >faults outlined. You're looking at the NIS from the viewpoint of someone who >has been in the breed for a long time. Try looking at it as someone who knows >little or nothing about the breed as some new judges and those new to the >breed. > >Goldbecker/Hart's first book is what illustrated faults and although the >standard listed them, illustrations are what put them in your face. Faults >need >to be known before we can perceive perfection. JMO. > >I am disappointed to hear that the NIS project has been withdrawn from >consideration. Shame on the naysayers. > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================