[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #3466
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showgsd-l Digest Mon, 05 Dec 2005 Volume: 02 Issue: 3466
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#1: From: EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx<mailto:EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: (no subject)
#2: From: Edwin Hill <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: To Better The Breed
#3: From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Why ?
#4: From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: To Better The Breed
#5: From: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
(Lindenhill German Shepherds)
Subject: Re: To Better The Breed
#6: From: "Penny and Bill" <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Why?
#7: From: Terry Cochran
<fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Why? Why NOT?
#8: From: "Kris Christian"
<Kris.Christian@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Kris.Christian@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Who is this Braeburn dog?
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From: EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx<mailto:EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:42:06 EST
Subject: (no subject)
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:53:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Edwin Hill <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: To Better The Breed
Dee!...I don't know you but I love you...what a great post....most show folks
breed to WIN.....and there is nothing wrong with that.....your post says it
all...lets get married..don't tell Mo!....lol...FB
"dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx>"
<dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: I think sometimes
we all loose sight of the most important fact of breeding. That is that the
majority of puppies will ultimately go to pet homes. Why do most people breed?
To get that super star. There is nothing wrong with that but the fact remains
that most of the puppies born will never see the inside of a show ring. With
that in mind, my personal opinion is that if we can tell these potential owners
that we have done everything we can possibly do to ensure good health and the
rest is up to genetics/nature/environment whatever, then that will go a long
way to enhance the opinion of the puppy buying public about breeders. AND they
won't be as afraid to buy a German Shepherd Dog.
JMHO
Dee Lauffer
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From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Why ?
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:06:58 -0600
Most all-breed judges are not"students" of the GSD..just as we are not
students of their respective breeds. Therefore the all-breed GSD must meet
a certain criteria that will be acceptable to the majority of judges who
don't really know the breed. In nearly every breed..good feet, strong
pasterns, straight bone, clean coming and going, only moderate angulation
in the rear and a good head piece with allot of expression are important.
Add to this standing and baiting. with GSD's I have found and heard from
many with all-breed experience that most judges prefer a typical black and
tan saddle back, a dark eye, sidegait only has to be adequate at best and
softer backs are often forgiven. If you think about it..many breeds are not
judged on motion but on standing..also many breeds have softer backs..some
breeds even butt high, many breeds are straight in pasterns and have little
if any rear angulation. If you are a terrier judge doing GSD's...it is
going to be more difficult for you to understand the angulation front and
rear of our breed. if you are a GSD person doing terriers..it is going to
be more difficult for you to appreciate the straight should and rear and
the more stilted motion from the side. many all-rounders rely on what they
have been "told" about the GSD. I had the experience this past summer of
attending some all-breed shows..I spoke with the judge who was doing
shepherds..and she told me that she had been told years ago that the GSD
should be a much longer dog than tall..consequently, she found the longest
dog in each class for her winners.I didn't bother arguing with her..she
looked to be nearly 90 and I wasn't going to change her mind! C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> To: <lexieshep@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:lexieshep@xxxxxxxxx>>
> Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Date: 12/5/2005 10:58:53 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why ?
>
> I have heard this statement from more people than I can count. "That dog
could finish at an all breed show" or "That dog isn't a specialty type".
I've only been in conformation for 4 years but that is one thing I have
never understood. In my opinion they should be the same dog capable of
winning in either ring if they are bred to the standard. I have a male
that I showed in both all breed and specialty. I have a bitch that I try
to only show in outdoor shows regardless if they are all breed or
specialty. She doesn't like the mats indoors.
> A member of our club has drafted a letter to send to the all breed kennel
clubs in our area explaining why we like bigger rings and why we like
outdoor rings and asking them to consider that when planning this coming
years shows. We'll see if they take it to heart!
> Dee Lauffer
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: To Better The Breed
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:15:11 -0600
I agree 100%. I had a couple that came by here Thanksgiving weekend. they
had purchased a puppy from us several years ago and had just recently lost
him. The stories of his being the "neighborhood" dog, playing with all the
kids, pulling sleds put things in perspective for me. the puppies we place
in pet homes are our ambassadors for the breed. Just think of how many kids
are going to remember this dog and formulate a positive image of our breed
and may even consider wanting a GSD for their families in the future! John
Dehope told me once that the quality of your litter should not only be
evaluated by the best in the litter..but by the least. I have found this to
be totally accurate. If you are breeding quality animals..even your pets
should be good examples of the breed.C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
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> Cc: <dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx>>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Date: 12/5/2005 12:56:22 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: To Better The Breed
>
> I think sometimes we all loose sight of the most important fact of
breeding. That is that the majority of puppies will ultimately go to pet
homes. Why do most people breed? To get that super star. There is
nothing wrong with that but the fact remains that most of the puppies born
will never see the inside of a show ring. With that in mind, my personal
opinion is that if we can tell these potential owners that we have done
everything we can possibly do to ensure good health and the rest is up to
genetics/nature/environment whatever, then that will go a long way to
enhance the opinion of the puppy buying public about breeders. AND they
won't be as afraid to buy a German Shepherd Dog.
> JMHO
> Dee Lauffer
>
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Msg: #5 in digest
From: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> (Lindenhill
German Shepherds)
Subject: Re: To Better The Breed
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:18:05 +0000
Pam, I think the point most are trying to make is that focusing on any one
thing could be detrimental to the breed. Especially when you consider that this
issue appears to be polygenic in its inheritibility with
(BTW between hips and elbows, I think elbows are far more damaging to the
breed then hips and a bit easier to pin point genetically)
I for one applaud the positive way the PC is using awards to accentuate those
animals with good hips and elbows, which translates into animals being used for
breeding stock. I don't believe in restrictions, but do believe in honestly
presenting the facts about your lines(both good and bad).
M
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From: "Penny and Bill" <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:50:47 -0500
I wouldn't want a dog who could not win at specialties AND at the all-breeds.
I've only had one champion I've bred, (The Kid) and she won in both venues.
Of course, Punky did too, plus she was Select. I don't agree with Jimmy all
the time, but he was right when he said that a GOOD dog can (and will) win in
BOTH rings. That's MY story and I'm sticking to it!
Penny in NY
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Msg: #7 in digest
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:55:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Why? Why NOT?
Carolyn wrote:
They can do it ALL except fill out the entry forms and drive themselves
there............ SIMPLE! { :o)
Dear you need a few working dogs in your breeding program. Ones that can
use the ole Visa card :0)
Terry
Carolyn <marhaven@xxxxxxx<mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> lexieshep@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:lexieshep@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Why can't the GSD'S show in all shows? All > Breed/Specialty?
I thought this is one dog. Not 2> different dogs.> Dawn
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OBVIOUSLY it is one Breed of dog....though it's so versatile it fills the
shoes of
many.
Those that are working in Herding, Rally, Obedience, Search and Rescue,
Police work
or as Guide Dogs are there because that is the venue the owner choses. It is
the same
with All Breeds or Specialty Shows. The dog goes where the owner enters it and
competes in.......has nothing to do with what the dogs can do. They can do it
ALL
except fill out the entry forms and drive themselves there............
SIMPLE! { :o)
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx<mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxx>
www.marhaven.com<http://www.marhaven.com/>
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Subject: Who is this Braeburn dog?
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:42:14 -0800
From: "Kris Christian"
<Kris.Christian@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Kris.Christian@xxxxxxxxx>>
Okay,
I've had several people ask for more details about Brae and it has
become obvious to me that I'm not performing as well as my dog is in the
ring when it comes to writing brags...
So here goes.
Avion Braeburn was bred by Claire Drosdick and was sired by Mari-Fiori
The Fever (who is 3 singles away from his championship) out of Claire's
5th generation from her bitch line, Avion Paris. Claire had another
litter this year out of Paris and Ken-Delaine's Marksman and has three
very nice puppies growing up for next spring's shows with three
different owners. You are forewarned.
Brae's pedigree is solid OFA for hips and elbows and to help understand
where he came from, he is line bred on GV Ueker and his grandfathers are
GV Bull and Sel CH Rollins. His grandmothers are a CH Mari Fiori Bold
Ruler daughter and a Sel CH Mastercharge daughter (herself a champion
with this year's 6-9 puppy dog class winner at the National being her
youngest progeny). I hope this isn't too confusing and would be glad to
send a pedigree to anyone who wants one.
Brae has 13 points with 1 major and 4 major reserves. He has been shown
and won consistently in both the specialty and all breed rings in
California, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington. He has won under judges:
Nadine Grady, Lee Brown, Dave Rinke, George Heitzman, Thomas Draeheim,
Betty Jo Patrick, Fay Dorval Haupt, Charles Doran, Del Richards, and
more. He won again this last weekend in San Mateo going WD twice, taking
a major and going BOW, BOS over two male specials...not that there is
anything wrong with that : )
Brae was born on May 16th, 2004 and is now 18 months old. We have
pre-limmed him for hips and elbows and will OFA him when he turns two.
We have a bitch waiting to be bred to him who is starting to come into
season now. Brae can't wait!
Once Brae is finished we plan to take him into the field to learn more
about the sheep that live at our place and that they are fun too!
Brae is co-owned by Claire and myself and is handled by Eric Norby. He
is trained and conditioned by Eric and Joannie Intersimone.
I am handled and trained by my lovely wife Jennifer, our three boys, and
my many friends in the fancy. Thanks for welcoming me back into the
fold. You are wonderful!!!
Kris Christian
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