To quote the GSD standard..."ANY missing teeth OTHER THAN first premolars is a SERIOUS fault (emphasis was added by me). Also taken from the standard: Faults of gait, whether from the front, rear or side, are to be considered = VERY SERIOUS faults (emphasis added by me). Paul adds... Both points are valid...but does one take precedence over the other? I will let you all opine as I know you will...again. Yes...we have a Standard and the Standard says something about teeth and motion...also type, temperament, and disqualifications. When I go into the ring I don't think about faults. I think about that picture my mind creates from my own interpretation of that Standard. In my case it's the dog that moves on the wind with ease and suspension. Of course...it can't like a whippet or a collie either. I've never NOT put up a dog because of a tooth fault but I have faulted them. I have NOT put up a dog for moving poorly and some who moved well but didn't move well enough to win...If the dog and bitch or Special...or any combination of the above fulfills my expectations and interpretations of the Standard...they win under me that day. The Standard en toto...is many pieces of an intricate puzzle that when they are there..."are Unmistakable When Present" Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================