In the spirit of Fred's suggestion - I'll say one thing I really liked about the new standard when I looked at it at the board meeting last July. Instead of a single picture of what a shoulder, pastern, head, etc, should look like, there were several showing differences from moderate to extreme, and a range within them showing most desirable, acceptable, and not desirable. While I personally would have set the ranges differently in some cases, I really like a version that shows that there is room for variation in the standard. I think that better illustrates what so many are trying to say here (that the changes in style do not mean the standard has changed). The evololution in style that has happened over the years has come from lessons learned by hard experience and careful study by the most successful of the breeders through the years. Those breeders, whether they are still breeding, judging, or just staying involved, should have input on the new standard. Janice Buchanan In a message dated 8/15/05 7:35:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time, EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes: I hear all the suggestions as to what we [the membership] don't want done but no one is saying how they want it done. Is it that you want new people handling the nis? And who is to say there will not be as many people object to the way they do it. Do you want every new page that is revised to be put to a vote of the entire membership? We are going to need a lot of money to do it that way. Really I do not agree or disagree with the objections being raised but along with those objections you must submit your plan as to how you want it handled. I suspect if all the membership were to submit a plan we might have 3000 plans out of 4000 members. Really when you object also along with the objection send your plan. I mean this NOT in a sarcastic way who knows someone may have a great idea that all 4000 of us will like. Fred Migliore ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================