In a message dated 12/10/2011 2:44:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, binderhaus@xxxxxxx writes: I'm sorry Evan---have to disagree with you here. There are MANY obedience kennels that breed, both on the German side and on the American side. I breed to the standard,but I do not breed for the conformation ring, but for obedience, herding, rally, tracking, therapy dogs, service dogs, etc. 2 of my dogs earned their PAM this year, another has also almost achieved her PAM, would expect it in early 2012. Some of these dogs have been shown in the conformation ring but just for the experience, not to campaign them. People come to me for dogs to work, not to show in conformation. Of course there are dedicated breeders breeding for other venues. But the conformation kennels, of which there are many, supply dogs to all venues. I see few dogs coming for the obedience, herding, rally, tracking, therapy dogs, service dogs, etc, selling pups that end up in the conformation ring. That is the way it always has been. People don't come to those breeders for show conformation dogs, but they sure come to use for working dogs. I always wondered why we always had the high scoring dog brought to the conformation ring to be shown after they finish, but never do they ask the BOB to be shown to the working ring? Maybe we should do that. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================