Evan writes: It is the conformation people that breed the dogs, for all the rings. What obedience kennel breeds? We breed to the standard, and that is why there are Schutzhund, herding, obedience, raly and all the other dogs out there. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together I'm sorry Evan---have to disagree with you here. There are MANY obedience kennels that breed, both on the German side and on the American side. I breed to the standard,but I do not breed for the conformation ring, but for obedience, herding, rally, tracking, therapy dogs, service dogs, etc. 2 of my dogs earned their PAM this year, another has also almost acheived her PAM, would expect it in early 2012. Some of these dogs have been shown in the conformation ring but just for the experience, not to campaign them. People come to me for dogs to work, not to show in conformation. Cynthia Binder DVM Binderhaus Shepherds ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================