In a message dated 8/11/2005 12:02:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: > What Fred said, that we the judges are judging to establish what to breed > to, is something I do not subscribe to. That is not what I said I said we judge to find the dog who most closely meets the requirements of the standard. Not the best showman. Now the people at that show may be looking for breeding stock or to see how what they own /bred stacks up with the competition. And they may or may not pay more attention to what the judge likes. Obviously they want the judges opinion or they would not be there. Now God forbid you would I know not tell people what to do with their breeding program. In fact you are always telling people NOT to pay any attention to you<G> . But if you like it or not you probably have influenced a breeder or two with your decisions as a judge. Fred PS If we are going to debate I will probably lose I am not a debator by trade and I haven't your energy. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================