To each his own Kathy (@ Pinehills) . We do raise our puppies carefully, but the beauty is , socializing etc is not something that we feel compelled to do b/c they "need to get out" because they need to get over being in the big wide world./ They are solid, whether we take them out at 12 weeks or 12 months. Solid. I believe temperament is as inheritable as coat color, size, structure. It think genetics plays a HUGE part in solid temperament, nerves, character. I think also temperament is passed down, good or bad from deeper in the pedigree than we realize. I have seen puppies of solid parents, with horrendous temperaments..and you stand and wonder why? Do a little research and then you find out, "oh Grandma/Grandpa etc was a wingnut" Socialize or don't . If I start with truly solid dogs, I have the option. If I do not, my hand is forced, I have to socialize them early and often to "desensitize " them to being in the world....no thanks. I would rather not have to worry about it. But I do enjoy getting puppies out later on ..great ambassadors for the breed, and great fun...IF they are solid. Nothing worse than watching a GSD of ANY age , nut up in front of the general public...ugh.. hate to see it at shows, hate to see it in front of John Q. ....horrendous. Kathy (Tank) *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com <http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/>* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBsCH. Victory's Leviathan **Kappo von Eisenwerk* *RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:54 PM, <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> wrote: > What? I think every dog needs to be carefully raised, well started and > socialized to reach their full potential. (As opposed to warehousing > potential show prospects in pens and pulling them out for a show day only). > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2014 3:55:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > tanksr@xxxxxxxxx writes: > > The truly sound dog does not need socialization, but they aren't all > perfect so maybe we need to help some of them out a bit. The danger in that > is it can be a slippery slope as we make more and more excuses for > character flaws. It's ok to socialize and train to correct the flaws but > not to make the mistake of using them for breeding. Since we don't really > have a very good method of testing temperament in our system, I think we > need to be extra diligent when choosing breeding animals. > > Ken > > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM, <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >> How old were they when you got them? Maybe somebody else put the good >> foundation on them. Not saying they aren't sound, just saying someone may >> have given them a great start. >> >> The longer I am around dogs, the more importance I put on a really good >> start. >> >> >> >> ============ > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================