Syd, That is the most accurate description I have ever seen. I have a dog (rescue, sort of) who I would've considered a 2 when he was young. But with lots of hard work and maturity, he is the best puppysitter I have. Never a fear biter but a professional victim. He's been attacked 3 times at shows, just out with me going potty. Dogs know he's weak. Climb the walls, oh, yes. I had to board him once, he hurt himslef trying to climb the fence to get away from the employees. But, a dog that can be reformed. He now has a CD and RN behind his name :-) He loves the pups and girls and is awesome with kids. Can't ask for more than that. Show dog, no way. Even if he was show quality, he would never have that attitude. I have never had a 10 and glad for that. I have high drive furkids and ones I've had battles with, but never a dog that didn't back down to my alpha self, LOL! As you know I have German and American lines so I've run the gamut on temperament. I have one awesome 9, but she isn't what wins. Now, if I could get her attitude with her kids, I'll be a very happy camper :-) In a message dated 12/21/2005 9:27:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, Elsyd1@xxxxxxx writes: I have come up with a numerical system for GSD temperament. It goes (like most do) from one to ten. In my system, 1 is a total spook, and 10 is totally fearless.. Numbers 1 and 2 are born shy, and will never be salvageable for showing. These are the dogs that climb the walls to get away from strangers, or worse, when cornered, bite. Three, four, and five, are shy, but will just wilt when strangers come, hide behind the owner, but are not hysterical or fear-biters. Sixes and sevens are "soft", but with proper socialization, can be good showdogs, pets, and working dogs. Eights and nines are born sound, stay sound no matter how neglected they are. They are the ones that you can keep in a kennel for years, and when you take them out, they act like they have been out all their lives. Totally sound. Tens are the sharp, proud, fearless, and often dangerous ones. They have no respect for authority, and can be very aggressive, but not from fear. From a sense of power and invulnerability. Laura Thomas http://www.treasureranchgsds.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================