I have learned a ton about breeding, but not enough to be an expert. What I have learned this far is that I don't know much. We had a long legged dog who moved great, but was not too sound in temperament. We also had a bitch with short legs who moved great and had great temperament. So, to balance out the extremes and to come to a mean average, we bred them. End result: Half the litter looked like and moved like and had the temperament of their sire and half were almost identical to the dam. Nature does not seem to cooperate with the theories of the mean average. Wish politicians could understand that! Acknowledging that it did not work, we then decided that the best course of action was to stick with our other sound bitch and breed several generation from her, breeding toward the movement she lacked. Several generation later, we decided that whatever it was in her genetic influence overpowered what we were trying for and we gave up again. Then we hit on it! It was simply the size of the gene pool. All we needed to do was expand the gene pool to unlock the strong influences we had unknowingly locked in. Our friends had a wonderful import, so we went for it. In retrospect, we did know the pedigree on our bitch and the health problems we needed to stay away from, but not being able to read German, I had no idea what was behind the import back four to seven generations. Bad decision. That one litter ended our entire breeding program. Start over.... New bitch, and who should we breed to?????? Answer: Acknowledge our ignorance and the error of our approaches (plural) and just let Liz and Carolyn make the decisions. See! I've learned a lot about breeding - let those who are consistently successful make the decision for me. OK, I am a wimp - Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evan you made some good points, however I would want to increase the gene pool not just for the purpose of creating more options, but to lesson the risk of serious health issues from the same supply of current genes, resulting in perhaps a better overall dog..... <snip> ....I want it all!....Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While I have no objection to a larger gene pool, remember that it means  less predictability in the breeding results. Evan  Ginsburg ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================