So Dave do you believe we really do have almost two different breeds of German Shepherd......many believe this...Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fritsche" <d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:12:29 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Swim in the pool you have There may have been some that worked, but I personally know of many that did not, including our own venture into the unknown. And that is the major problem. I like to have a 5-7 generation health history and pedigree in front of me and I just can't do that with the lack of information given with most imports. I have the resources to find out about the American Bred/Canadian Bred gene pool, even if the owner will not give me a strait answer, I will find out. But the information from across the pond sees to be better controlled and less available, probably just because of the lack of extensive relationships. But when I ask what are the problems in your line, I want to know what they are, not a denial that any exists. We all die of something and so do our dogs. There also exists the issue of temperament. I envision two lines, not parallel at all, but divergent, like a fork in the road, one going at an angle from the other. That is my way of thinking about the American Bred lines and the import lines. We have not bred in parallel, but for different things and the end result is, to some degree, two different dogs from the same gene pool. To attempt to blend those traits back into a balance point might just take as long to do as it has taken to make those two different dogs. Getting a mean average may well mean that the outcome fits into neither camp and may achieve nothing in my lifetime. Anyway, thatâ??s part of my current theory and I sticking to it until I change my mind which may happen sometime between this afternoon and the 12th of never. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know why GSD breeders stopped the German-American crosses they did years ago?  I know even today a few breeders still do use this formula but it still seems to make sense that it worked years ago why not today.  I know American judges do look for  different conformation and movement than they did years ago but I am looking at it for health and temperament reasons. Not that the German GSD's are healthier just opens up not bottlenecking when breeding the American GSD's. Theresa ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post.  This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org  SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================