Back when I started showing in UKC, yes, the majority of the dogs, of all breeds, were not of good quality. Mostly, dogs were shown in UKC who couldn't show in AKC or finish an AKC CH title. However, that has all changed. The majority of people showing in UKC today, also show the same dogs in AKC. I am talking about top dogs in their breed! But, their owner is showing them in UKC, not the handler. That is why it is so much fun for the owner and dog. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx> To: texasgsds <texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 10:39 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [ SHOWGSD-L (no subject) Just re-read about the woman with the idea getting her head handed to her. ummer. Yes, I was told UKC is more of a performance type registry where dogs are xpected to work and working conformation is rewarded. But, I saw about 75% of he people I showed with at UKC at the AKC Thanksgiving cluster show (not german hepherd people though)! Plus, at UKC a lot of those other breeds are Champions n both AKC and UKC. We had several finished AKC CH at the UKC Shows (not GSDs). n fact, the #1 Saint Bernard that has won his Westminster class a bunch of imes was showing UKC and AKC. Plus, the Sussex or maybe the Field Spaniel (I lways get them confused) finished at the AKC show and I think is a UKC Grand H. So, other breeds seem to have no problem going back and forth between venues. The atmosphere is more laid back at UKC and everyone is nice. Plus, no rofessional handlers are allowed and no grooming products on dogs or brushes in he ring. But, AKC looks fun too and they have the fancy carpet things for gaiting! *grin* Sara n Dec 7, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Diane wrote: > Barb, the example you gave about the difference in types between UKC and AKC as more to do with a divergence in type between working dogs and conformation ogs. In a lot of the sporting breeds, the field dogs almost look like a ifferent breed from their conformation counterparts. That's why it was uggested that we have a working dog class at our National, to emphasize that orrect conformation makes it a lot easier for the working dog to perform its ask. The person making that suggestion got their head handed to them. @Sara - reeders have made structural changes in the GSD. If you look at dogs from the 960's and today's dogs you can see that. As far as I can tell, there has been o corresponding change to the standard, so I don't know how breeders justified he structural changes. I guess the same standard that applied to the earlier ogs applies now to today's dogs. But I know the earlier dogs would not win in oday's conformation ring. Sara, if you are physically a bl e to show your own dog, learn as much as you can by watching the pro handlers. he style of showing is different between the all breed and speciality rings. how your dog and have fun. Diane Sent from my iPhone=========================================================================== POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and ts administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in ny post. 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