Just a quick explaination on OFA cardiac testing because I do these. The certification can be done by a general practitioner, a specialist, or by a cardiologist. If your dog is to get certified by a general practitioner like myself, the dog is auscultated and as long as no murmur or abnormal heart rate or rhythm is heard, then I can certify your dog's heart. If I auscultate a murmur or abnormal rhythm then the dog is required to see the cardiologist to get OFA certified. A dog with a heart murmur can only be certified if an echocardiogram is done on the dog and shows it has an innocent murmur. This type of murmur is caused by an increased or decreased blood flow, but is not related to congenital heart disease. In these cases the ultrasound of the heart verifies the dog does not have aortic stenosis, pulmonary stenosis, a valvular defect, regurgitation of blood through one of the valves, PDA, septal defects, etc. Any of these congenital abnormalities would be picked up on ultrasound by the cardiologist and the dog would fail the test. The cardiac test is taylored to the breed as well, some dogs require an EKG and exercise tests to become certified. We are lucky in German Shepherds to have heart defects that cause murmurs and can easily be screened. Hope that clears up the question about why a dog with a murmur could get certified. Katie Halfen DVM Casamoko Shepherds www.casamoko.com > > > On Dec 11, 2011, at 7:36 AM, _Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxxx > (mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx) wrote: > > > > Good answer Kay although I must say I was disappointed w/ the OFA cardiac > test and if one were to be honest, the thyroid test should probably be done > every year to mean anything. (I just did a 10 1/2 year old, his skin was > getting dry, came back fine, naturally didn't bother to send it in). > > The reason I was disappointed w/ the whole cardiac thing? I learned > (through a lister, but it's actually true) that a dog w/ a murmur can still > get > (cardiac) certified. Scratching my head wondering what's the point???? > > I'd know at 6 weeks if a puppy had a problem. I don't know any serious > breeder who would keep let alone breed a dog w/ a heart issue. The last time > I had a dog at the vet I had the vet sign their cert, verify their chip # > and sent it along to OFA w/ $15. I guess I'll start doing that, but again, > for ME, pretty worthless. > > Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC > Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions > visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================