No, I'm not kidding It changes everything. Actually after running a few numbers , I'd go one step further...The National should be in New Jersey. Look at the following: Alright, lets rank those same states in exhibitors per 100 square miles. New Jersey 8.6 exhibitors per 100 square miles Connecticut 7 Massachusetts 5 Maryland 3 Ohio 2.5 Wisconsin 2.3 Pennsylvania 2.25 Florida 2.2 New York 2.16 Illinois 2.1 Michigan 1.9 Georgia 1.7 California 1.46 Washington 1.43 Minnesota 1.39 Missouri 1.2 North Carolina 1.1 Oregon 0.78 Texas 0.3 In order to minimize travel for the greatest amount of exhibitors the National should be in the North East. These numbers of exhibitors would be even greater if the National were ever in the Northeast again. I'm certain there is a bimp in teh number of exhibitors from a state when the National is held locally. Keep in mind, it has not been in the North East in over 15 years and yet this is where the density of exhibitors and membership is by far the highest. I took Joan's figures and divided them by the number of square miles each state has. Canada's figures are insignificant, unless you limit Canada to the three or four most populous provinces. This also explains why West Coast Nationals have been and continue to be a losing proposition. It also does not bode well for a Texas National. However, inspite of the statistics, I believe the National should be rotated but not on a East-Central-West-Central. I find doing otherwise unfair (as did our founding fathers!) Putting it in the Central region two out of four times actually maximizes the travel inconvenience for the most exhibitors and membership. Also we should consider changing it to a North Central location and a North East location. Perhaps it should be South East--Northern Midwest--Southern West Coast- North East-Southern Central-North West, making it twice in the east, twice in the west and twice in the West in six years, varying North South every other year as well. That way if a person lives in the North west they could coconceivablyttend a local National every 6 years and another two years attend one within a 24 hour drive, giving that exhibitor the possibility of attending three out of six by driving. Amazing what you find out when you really look at the numbers. Susan Carolyn <marhaven@xxxxxxx> wrote: SURELY you are kidding!!!!???? Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx www.marhaven.com Susan w. Sullivan Firethorn Farm German Shepherd Dogs Where Form Follows Function ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================