I just read your post for the first time. This was a heated topic just weeks ago. I think your presentation may have people wondering how to answer. You came across rather harsh. It's nothing to do with your name, your post is not even signed, do I call you Mrs Titanium? Just an observation. Personally, I have a problem with the directors of both groups (GSDCA and WDA) working as directors on both boards, back and forth. I was open about this before and now. I think is inappropriate. Flip side? I don't see many people jumping in to take on these positions. Lots of complaining, but no solutions or volunteers. Is not personal, I like Ken Downing and think he can fix many things, his sense of management is that good. And I have a great deal of admiration for Dorothy Linn. I know Russ Osburn and David Landau are very qualified to deal with working dogs and working dog issues. I don't know Wayne Davis, but I have heard people say he is working his way to the top of the GSDCA to turn this club (the GSDCA) into his working club. If that is true, and he expressed that openly, I have a problem with that. I have a problem with many things about this issue. But I can't come up with good enough suggestions or solutions without looking like I am out to get someone. That's not my intention.....so I keep my eyes and ears open hoping that more people will get involved, because I sure as hell can't fix it alone, and right at this point my schedule is full. Which is probably why I missed your first post. Another observation made before is that we are falling into the trap of moving away from the Old Guard to the New Guard. I agree an argument could be made here, if you see how many key positions one person is holding not only within one club, but now in both clubs. But is it because they are greedy and power hungry or because no one else is running? Do we seriously have such a shortage of qualified people that the same ones keep on running, or are these people trying to control both clubs? I think those are the hard questions nobody wants to deal with and answer. However, going back to your post, Board members do not have to have title a dog on a certain venue to know about how to run a club, and they don't get paid. Directors and managers, if they are good, can find the right people to delegate the jobs to. I am just not convinced yet that the same people over and over are the only qualified ones. Now, good day to you all. I am off to move my youngest child into her dorm. Empty nest is seriously under rated. Ileana In a message dated 8/11/2005 6:50:56 mrstitanium@xxxxxxxxx writes: I only got 3 responses to my post. I guess my name is not important enough for people to read what I send. No wonder the club is in trouble. sally@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Running unopposed: Pres:- Ken Downing V. Pres- David Landau Directors- ( 2 years) Running unopposed Region 1- Debbie Hokkanen ( also she is a training director) How can you direct something you never did? Region 2-Wayne Davis. Isn't he running for the GSDCA Board also? Region 3 Miriam Barkus Region 4- La Mar Frederick ( I believe he is also a training Director) Same question! Region 5 Joe Barry Region 6- Russ Osburn Region 7 Don Haseman Region 8- Dorothy Linn-Has SCHh dogs? Region 9- Tom Mesdag- Isn't he on the GSDCA Board also? Does he get paid twice? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================