In a message dated 12/1/2005 1:07:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marhaven@xxxxxxx writes: BOSS DOES do latches and gates and doors and he and his son BOOKER have been known to take out cyclone fencing. Nor would either one be that polite once on the other side. BOOOKER has ripped out a button tooth trying to take out 15 ft. of cyclone fencing. Guess he'll never see a ring again. <G> Be glad your boy is such a nice Gentleman.....won't last long...<G> I have several who will unravel cyclone fencing. Cody and his son JR can open any type of latch there is, as can Granddaughter Mattie and when you put a snap through the latch, disabling it, she'll chew the wooden fence in frustration. I have a pantry w/ a "fake" latch (the door closes w/ a magnet). Cody knows the "good" cookies are in there and when I have company, he'll go and open the door and show them where they are. French doors, storm doors...no problem. I had to have custom, steel reinforced "dog boxes" made for the van after the debacle of Cody breaking out at the Ohio National. I'd be embarrassed to admit what I've spent on fencing, lol:) BTW, the best pens I've found (better than Mason) are Preifert, though, be forewarned, a tooth will chip before the pen is ever damaged (and yes, Syd, they come w/ "tops"). When I'm frustrated w/ the lot of them, I've threatened to donate them all to Homeland Security <G>:))))) Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================