In a message dated 8/5/2005 6:49:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Erynbrook@xxxxxxx writes: Syd and all -- I read the email in question this morning and IN NO WAY did I see it as attacking Jim and Edie or I too would have been appalled. I saw the reference to them as an attempt by the author to provide a straight-forward accounting of what the person in question has been involved in, and perhaps to point out that she has fooled good, responsible people into thinking she was a responsible and ethical breeder. For the record there are many others, well known in the breed, who have been aware of some of the short-comings of this breeder for several years. Susan Casey Erynbrook German Shepherds and THANK YOU THANK YOU., THANK YOU SUSAN.. Thank you for actually "getting" this. This is NOT, I repeat loudly a'la Tom Castriota ...NOT ABOUT THE STUD , THE BITCH OR EVEN THE INHERANT SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH THE PUPPIES IN QUESTION. This is about a BREEDER that does this, and has a LONG track record, that we are beginning to find out over the last several days, is not ethical, and plays upon peoples' sympathy and desire to believe " a poor old lady" . This is one of a long history of questionable dealings, and out and out (and entirely factual ) scams she has perpetrated on people for at least ten years if not longer. This is not RUMOR, CONJECTURE, LIES OR INSINUATION;. IT IS FACT, AND WE , AND OTHERS CAN AND WILL BACK IT UP. The thing that bothers us and the puppy owners is that neither the stud owner NOR the Breeder is calling or emailing or offering apology, or concession , and we are, to date the ONLY party that anyone has heard from regarding the issues. We embarked on this as a Team so to speak with the stud owner and breeder. Now that there are problems the "team" is gone and silent and WE are left to do the right thing. We will, because we are ethical and although the other parties have to date have not made an attempt to make this right...WE will. WE will not ABANDON the owners , we will do whatever we can to help everyone in this. We did not breed these dogs, we do not own the stud, but because we were involved in the sale of TWO we will help anyone that needs it.......we own one of these puppies, we are MORALLY driven to help and support anyone involved with a dysplastic pup. This is not Rumor, and is not an easy thing. We know we risk a lot by going public here...but we cannot and WILL not stand by and watch these people with their dysplastic puppies be treated like they don't matter and don't exist by the breeder and others. If that makes us criminals then so be it. At least WE will be able to eventually come out of this knowing we made every effort to make this right. Unlike some. Kathy Gray WEBSITE UPDATED: JUNE 27, 2005 Best of American and European lines; Breeding, Showing, Handling/Conditioning Home of CH. ELVASTON'S NATIONS CUP, TC, OFA H/E DNA'D "NITRO" 22 BISS/ BESTS OF BREED TO DATE _Victory German Shepherds_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/index.htm) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================