Ok, I said I wouldn't say any more about the cat incident, and I won't. BUT, as topics on email lists often do, the subject has changed to just plain doubling. There's NO POINT in arguing about doubling...this is the GSD world and it's a fact of life, whether AKC suggests it not be done or what...no, it is not a rule, it's just in the guidelines for judges. No point in talking about the people who dye, chalk, or otherwise "alter" the appearance of their dogs...it goes on in all the breeds and some judges will throw you out for it, some won't know it, and others won't care. If you do any of those things then you have to answer to yourself for being a cheat and a liar, and that's all there is to it. The POINT of the original complaint, however, wasn't about doubling. It was about presenting the wrong image to the public about our sport. THIS is against the AKC rules...doing things that would make a family or a person attending their first dog show to think it was a bad activity for them to get involved in. Image is what it's about, at this point, because people who are NOT involved in conformation shows, at least not in AKC shows, witnessed all that went on at last week's show, and reported it because they thought it was awful........... No discussion about live cats, stuffed cats, rabbits, doubling, dyeing, chalking, or any of that stuff will alter the fact that the entire GSD world may have been placed under scrutiny right now because of thoughtless behavior by a few. That's all it's about. The wrong image...........that's what it's all about. The AKC doesn't care whether wrong is done or not. The APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY is all that counts...in other words, the image we present to the public. Until our shows are closed to anyone but one another, we have to have some kind of standard of behavior and EVERYONE must adhere to that standard. That's it. Peggy > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================