_Jarvyce@xxxxxxxx (mailto:Jarvyce@xxxxxxx) writes: It has occurred to me that maybe this is a recent debate. Now, I mention this because of great conversations, rap sessions, and basic brain picking I have done with many great and knowledgeable GSD breeders. Doesn't it seem strange to revere Lamar, Lang and Ernie when you knock the fact that they were exhibitors and judges (Lamar excluded - I think) at BOTH all-breeds and specialties? They used their immense knowledge and understanding to not only reward good GSD in ALL venues, but to educate anyone they came in contact with? Funny how things were so much more in sync then... Arvind ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Arvind, It is true that Lamar was not a judge but Lamar showed at all breed shows. As a matter of fact, he handled many other breeds including top dobes. He was a master at grooming and, in his seminars, emphasized the need for GSD people to learn from other breeds how to groom properly. Your post made a very interesting point - we revere these knowledgeable people and then "put down" the very arena where they shined. Interesting !! Dania ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================