Nonsense.... I have in the past mentioned this... the absolute WORST case of "judging" I was witness to was when I won BOB. I was showing my Smooth Collie. He did NOT have to win BOB, as there were other Smooths entered. In fact, the WB was a better choice for BOB, IMHO... That said... MANY times it is the "perception" that is the problem. Ginger Cleary, Rome, GA Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. C.S.Lewis www.rihadin.com <http://www.rihadin.com> My Ebay site <http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=ginny2003> -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of ELG440@xxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:05 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] A base to work from I suggested those who had been winning express how crooked they think the judging is. It is no secret that many of those who whine about judging are those who either do not show, have stopped showing, can't win, or avoid the specialty shows. They may have their own reasons. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================