[sac-forum] Re: M106

  • From: Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:42:47 -0700

David,
Along this line, has anyone been to Cordes Junction lately. I guess the thing that motivated this is Obama money to allegedly stimulate the economy and improve infrastructure. Anyway, the turnoff to Prescott was very adequate. I have never seen much traffic on it to justify doing anything about it. Over the past year they have scraped away and bulldozed huge amounts of desert and now have a bank of streetlights that I do not see is justified in any way. All this is doing is creating a cost to have them lit, and increasing light pollution. I just do not understand what is driving all this. I guess it amounts to "Have dozer, Will grade" (take off from "have gun, will travel").
Stan

On 3/12/2013 1:35 PM, David Hofland wrote:

Just to add to this, although it is a perfect example of preaching to a choir as I can think of. Its more than just the light pollution, as it that weren't bad enough. On top of the sad reality that more than half of the 7 billion plus humans on the planet will live their lives having never even see the Milky Way, it is just as bad a travesty because of the wasted energy of billions upon billions of watts of lightbulbs doing nothing to make anyone safer, illuminating nothing but the underside of aircraft along with the dust and water vapor and gas molecules. And the solution is totally simple and achievable right now, it isn't like we need to wait until the invention of cold fusion or the discover of the Higgs particle. All it takes is for everyone to just use correctly designed efficient outdoor light fixtures that are available today and are relatively inexpensive. So inexpensive that the energy saving over the life of the appliance pretty much pays for it. As Richard says, there are so few of us that object that its probably a lost cause anyway.


David Hofland
Centre, Alabama

*From: *"Richard Harshaw" <rharshaw2@xxxxxxx>
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*Sent: *Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:05:30 PM
*Subject: *[sac-forum] Re: M106

Well said, Jenn. Like Clarke's "Childhood's End".



Richard Harshaw
Cave Creek, AZ

“Remember:  your mind works faster than you think.”


-----Original Message-----
From: sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jennifer Polakis
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:04 PM
To: sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sac-forum] Re: M106

The sore lack of a star filled sky to spark the imaginations of the next generations is a travesty to humanity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Polakis
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:06 PM
To: sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sac-forum] Re: M106

Stan,

The fight against light pollution should have little to do with how much faint detail can be pulled out of images. It should have everything to do with the average Joe or Jill looking up, and not being able to see more than
30 stars in the sky.  It's everybody's fight, not just ours.

And regarding the great images, they would be three magnitudes greater were it not for light pollution.

Tom


---- Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> All these fantastic images taken in immensely light polluted Valley of
> the Sun says we need not be concerned about electronic road signs and
> other forms of pollution (bring back the mercury vapor dusk to dawn?).
> I wonder what the business community would think if they saw the
> quality of the images. Maybe this is a time for introspection. Are we
> being overly concerned about light pollution? I am all for dark skies
> and bought my NM lot because of its super dark skies. I am just
> raising this issue for discussion because it seems it is something we
> should be able to respond to if it ever becomes an issue in our fight
> against light pollution.
> Stan
>
> On 3/11/2013 10:32 AM, Albert Barr wrote:
> >
> > Here's another attempt at imaging in light pollution :) This is 4
> > hours of luminance and three of RGB on M106 and lots of other fuzzies.
> > The luminance images actually turned out ok. The color had a lot of
> > gradient which was difficult to remove but the detail is nice.
> >
> > Albert
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/49526053@N04/8548549559/in/photostream/
> >
>
>






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