[rollei_list] Re: [rollei_list]
- From: "Marvin" <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 20:16:23 +0800
Hello Robert, You seem to have granted my point:). That is, since Rollei's
are not perfect, valid criticism of the mark is in order.
If one thinks that criticism of Rollei is out of bounds, then start the
Church of the Rollei.
This is the case, because one is ascribing characteristics to the camera
mark usually reserved for deity, such as "PERFECTION".
Thanks,
Marvin.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Meier
Sent: 03 March 2010 09:51
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: [rollei_list]
Noone has suggested that Rolleis are perfect. No camera,
unfortunately, is perfect. That's why I, and I think everyone on the
list, has numerous different cameras for different purposes.
On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Marvin wrote:
> Robert I too share admiration for Rolleis, which is why I'm on the
> list. To
> pretend they are perfect machines is not realistic in my book. My
> favourite
> all time camera remains my Mamiya 6. Though the Rollei Plannar
> leaves it for
> dust.
> Marvin.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Meier
> Sent: 03 March 2010 00:00
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: [rollei_list]
>
> Marvin, A lot of us do share Carlos' admiration for Rolleis. I
> believe that admiration is the reason for this list. Robert
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Marvin wrote:
>
>> You should start the first Church of the Rolleiflex. It seems like
>> you adore
>> these items which are beyond criticism. I don't share your
>> enthusiasm or
>> fanaticism in this regard. Good luck.
>> Marvin Wallace.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of CarlosMFreaza
>> Sent: 02 March 2010 17:53
>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: [rollei_list]
>>
>> The language issue always appears for this kind of discussions, my
>> point is I perceive you tend to underestimate the Rollei cameras (TLR
>> and 35) as photographic tools from different point of views in
>> several
>> of your posts, from the focusing system to the square format and this
>> time discussing on a photographer you did not recall well, following
>> your own explanation.
>> My English is bad in general and even worse when I write quickly, I
>> always expect a harsh comment about it, BTW a harsh comment on my
>> English does not mean you are closer to the truth.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/3/1 <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> I have admired his photographs for a long time though it is a long
>>> time
>> since I have seen his work over 10 years to be exact.
>>>
>>> I remember the content of his work more that the camera he used, the
>> sqaure format.
>>>
>>> If you think that I didn't know of him as a photographer before
>>> you posted
>> on him, then that is a charge too childish to contend with.
>>>
>>> I can prove with much effort, on my part, that Derbyshire
>>> University's
>> photographic library has several publications by this photographer,
>> and that
>> I have taken out and read at least one of hiis books.
>>>
>>> I do understand that English is not your first language, and thus
>>> dont
>> want to be too harsh. Your second language skills are better than
>> mine by
>> the way so dont be offended by that.
>>>
>>> Marvin.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 2010/03/02 Tue AM 10:30:34 HKT
>>>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: [rollei_list]
>>>>
>>>> You wrote this morning:
>>>> "I have admired Sidibe photographs for some. I was unaware that he
>>>> used a Rollei since the framing is most often not square. His
>>>> work is
>>>> a living documentary of Senegal!"
>>>>
>>>> Since Sidib? is from Mali and took a lot of photographs keeping the
>>>> square or almost square format, I have the right to think you did
>>>> not
>>>> know about Siridib? very much before my first post on the topic.
>>>> You can convert a rectangle into square, but it is a lot easier
>>>> to use
>>>> a square to compose a rectangle than a rectangle to compose a
>>>> square.-
>>>>
>>>> Carlos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/3/1 <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> I'm still not tracking with you.(?).
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget the photography can also crop the rectangle to a
>>>>> suqare,
>> so these compositional points you mention are not rules set in stone.
>>>>>
>>>>> When a said his work is documentary, I dont mean that it is
>>>>> documentary
>> per say, I mean that his work is an interesting historical record
>> of Mali,
>> and as such is very interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marvin.
>>>>>
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