I have had the same problem, intermittently. As I wind the film til 1 pops up and the lever stops, how could it be "not far enough?" You feel it... I wonder if it is just the personality of the old beast. My second automat (the wierdo with the replacement lens... does not seem to do this, but then it has a note inside stating it was rebuilt in 1973... Peter nebergall On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:06:01 -0800 Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > Bill, > > The Automat 3 uses the feeler rollers to index the counter. > > WTF did you get the idea about arrows on the film backing? > > Jerry > > wamyers@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > Hi guys-- > > > > I have been following the discussion of shutter cock and film > advance with > > interest, as I have what may be a related problem with my Automat > 3: After > > the first exposure on a new roll, I cannot advance the film till I > have > > released the shutter a second time (I cover the lens to avoid > double > > exposing the first frame). From frame 2 to frame 12 all works as > it should > > (and the shots come out fine). I cannot tell without > experimentation (I > > will now sacrifice a roll of film) whether this is due to a > malfunction or > > my ignorance about exactly how far to advance the film when > loading. I > > bought the camera last summer, did not get good instructions from > the > > seller, and have dealt with this problem (intermittantly) ever > since. To > > eliminate one variable: exactly where should the arrow on the film > backing > > end up before closing the back of the camera? Perhaps the problem > is my not > > advancing far enough? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bill Myers > > > > --- > > Rollei List > > > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into > www.freelists.org > > > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into > www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list