[rollei_list] Re: Meter Testing
- From: "Peter K." <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:30:01 -0700
Carlos,
ISO 100 is ISO 100. But I see what you are saying and if I am understanding
you correctly I actually agree. (OK, start the drums and parade). The issue
is that the metering system in each camera varies with digital due to the
reflectance of the image sensor and the way the meter is reading the
information through a matrix of the image area or center weighted and where
and how much. I was fortunate to do a lot of testing with Canon and Nikon
cameras for an article some months back. What amazed me was that the reading
for one camera can be as much as 1/2 stop different from another. Digital
also tends to favor underexposure, the reverse of print film. If you use an
incident meter and read say 1/60 at F8 you really need to look at the
histogram to make sure it is ideal for your camera as its best exposure may
be at F9 ro F9.5 at 1/60.
Yes, the best photographs in history were made without a histogram. But this
is "history." We can also say the best photographs were platinum prints
using wet plates that also did not use histograms. Or perhaps the best
images were those made by the Renaissance painters. Either way it is again
history. So looking forward the best will be made using histograms. I 50
years one will say some of the best photos in history were made using
histograms.
Peter K
Who still uses a Sekonic L508 with his Canon DSLR for portraits.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
> Elias:
> Digital cameras histograms could work or couldn't work to measure
> light for film. Sometimes ISO 100 for a sensor is not ISO 100 for film,
> digital cameras are closed systems where the elements adjustments work fine
> for the system as a whole, however you need to do some tests to match the
> digital camera histogram with the film camera exposure, best photographs in
> the history were made without histograms and even without lightmeters and
> then I see this histogram issue like unnecessary completely and I think most
> of my photographs are right about exposure. I only use histograms to see the
> image adjustment after the scanning process to touch something if necessary.
>
> I enjoy waiting for my photographs if they are color shots or developing
> them if they are B&W.
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
> --- El lun 24-ago-09, Elias Roustom <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>
> > De: Elias Roustom <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Asunto: [rollei_list] Re: Meter Testing
> > Para: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Fecha: lunes, 24 de agosto de 2009, 9:36 pm
> > I'd love to learn how to use my
> > digital camera a meter for my film
> > shots. I know what the histogram is, but don't know how to
> > translate
> > that in to EV for film.
> > Any tips?
> >
> > Carlos, I'm not a ghost, but I saw only one other
> > photographer using
> > film during my two weeks in Nova Scotia this year.
> > My Rolleiflex still got me into great conversations, and
> > some at ease
> > subjects. I shot all color this year, so I don't have any
> > shots to
> > share yet, I have to wait for the processing and scanning.
> >
> > E.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Carlos Manuel Freaza wrote:
> >
> > > I guess that the labs work, and films and film cameras
> > and enlargers
> > > and lightmeters and similars are manufactured for
> > imaginary people,
> > > perhaps these things are made for ghosts and the
> > analog photographic
> > > equipment sold in e*** are for ghosts too :-)
> > > I could mention you a lot of LF and MF photographers
> > using film yet,
> > > some of them at Flickr too, but it would be an useless
> > effort.-
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > >
> > > --- El lun 24-ago-09, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I haven't seen a non-digital camera
> > >> here in Europe for years. The last
> > >> really good photographer I know who was still
> > using film
> > >> changed a
> > >> couple of years ago.
> > >> I know people who still use 5x4 (4x5 in USA:-))
> > for
> > >> landscape. One of
> > >> them even uses a fairly old digital camera as his
> > light
> > >> meter. He did
> > >> some experiments comparing the digital ands its
> > exposure
> > >> histogram to
> > >> film and subsequently used the digital pictures
> > and the
> > >> histogram of
> > >> them to evaluate his film exposure. He is a
> > master
> > >> photographer and I
> > >> thought this was very clever, it works well, and
> > -much-
> > >> more flexible
> > >> than a single cell light meter.
> > >> He can also use the jpgs from the digital on his
> > web site
> > >> to advertise
> > >> the originals.
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >> On 23 Aug, 2009, at 17:05, Carlos Manuel Freaza
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I think digital photography has to do with the
> > issue,
> > >> external flash
> > >>> reads could be interesting even if you have a
> > very
> > >> complete digital
> > >>> camera, perhaps Europeans still use more
> > analog
> > >> equipments than
> > >>> Americans.
> > >>>
> > >>> Carlos
> > >>>
> > >>> --- El dom 23-ago-09, Elias Roustom <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> escribió:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Digital F is easy to find, but the
> > >>>> other seems unavailable. Maybe
> > >>>> North Americans use flash more often than
> > >> Europeans?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Aug 23, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Carlos
> > Manuel Freaza
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The Gossen "Sixtomat Digital" is
> > called "Luna
> > >> Pro
> > >>>> Digital" in the
> > >>>>> States and the version to take flash
> > light
> > >> reads too
> > >>>> is called "Luna
> > >>>>> Pro Digital F"
> > >>>>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Gossen-GO4022-Luna-Pro-Digital-Light/dp/B0000AG939
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Carlos
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --- El dom 23-ago-09, Elias Roustom
> > <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> escribió:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> De: Elias Roustom <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> Asunto: [rollei_list] Re: Meter
> > Testing
> > >>>>>> Para: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>> Fecha: domingo, 23 de agosto de
> > 2009,
> > >> 11:52 am
> > >>>>>> Looks like a great meter - not
> > >>>>>> available from any of the on-line
> > >> merchants where
> > >>>> I would
> > >>>>>> expect to find it (in the U.S.).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Aug 23, 2009, at 5:00 AM, Niels
> > H. S.
> > >> Nielsen
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:15 AM,
> > >>>>>> Elias Roustom <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> <snip> The question with
> > new
> > >>>>>> is whether I would miss the
> > needle, it's
> > >> great to
> > >>>> wave
> > >>>>>> meter up and down and see how far
> > the
> > >> needle moves
> > >>>> between
> > >>>>>> highlight and shadow.
> > <snip>
> > >>>>>> The Gossen
> > Sixtomat digitial
> > >> is
> > >>>> an
> > >>>>>> compact inexpensive option with
> > the
> > >> ability to
> > >>>> make a
> > >>>>>> continous reading and show the
> > aperture
> > >> range of
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>>> subject. I think the meter has
> > another
> > >> name in
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> US.
> http://www.gossen-photo.de/english/foto_produkte.html?foto_sixtodigi..html,picts/navi_foto_sub_01_sixtodigi.gif
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