[rollei_list] Re: Meter Testing
- From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:48:06 +0000 (GMT)
Dear Carlos,
As I said, there are large format users of film still.
David Bailey is a great photographer but he is even older than me, and what he
said was probably taking the p*ss out of the questioner!
I tend to respect the opinions of eminent photographers who have used both
chemical and electronically generated photographs extensively.
Older guys who have hardly ever used digital, or only a P&S, and young
whippersnappers who have only used digital do not have adequate experience to
have an opinion which I can respect.
I am by no means a brilliant photographer but I have been an enthusiastic
amateur since I was 11 years old in 1961, and have had my own darkroom for most
of the time since.
I have used MF cameras by Rollei, Hasselblad and Zeiss Ikon (Super Ikonta). I
still use a Rollei for fun occasionally. I have used 35 mm cameras by Agfa,
Kodak, Leica, Canon, Olympus and Nikon.
Since around 2001 I have had a digital camera available, initially only at work
for quick results recording modifications of wind-tunnel models.
Since then I have used digital cameras by Nikon, Canon, Olympus and Leica.
You may not agree with me about the quality of digital, fine, but I think you
are nitpicking if you think a significantly more people use chemicals than
electronics in Europe compared to the USA.
Perhaps in Africa and South America more photographers still use film than in
the USA and Europe? I would expect so but have no evidence recent enough to be
of any value.
In the USA even some well known landscape photographers are changing from 5x4
film to MF digital, it astonishes me since it is astronomically expensive.
Those prints must sell well!
best regards,
Frank
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Meter Testing
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 11:05 AM
> You are one inhabitant among millions
> and millions in Europe, Frank; I did not write that a lot of
> people are using analog equipment in Europe, I did a
> comparison with USA based on some five or six years old
> surveys but I did not talk about quantities, in fact Gossen
> is still manufacturing lightmeters for amateurs and Kaiser
> is making enlargers to do chemical prints.
>
> Some professional photographers still using film in England
> and USA:
>
> David Bailey, fashion photographer:
> "While taking a portrait of UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown
> recently, Bailey was reportedly asked if he ever uses
> digital.
>
> “Nah” he quipped in front of the Labour Party leader.
> “Digital’s like socialism – it flattens everything out
> and makes everything the same.”
>
> Jack Dykinga
> David Bailey uses film to shoot the famous; Pulitzer-Prize
> winning photographer Jack Dykinga uses film to capture the
> deserts of the southwest.
>
> “There’s absolutely no better way for me to do
> landscape than large-format film, which in my case is 4×5
> and Fuji-chrome Velvia film,” Dykinga told Outdoor
> Photographer magazine."
>
> Sacha Dean Biyan
> "Sacha Dean Biyan is an award-winning fashion photographer
> and photojournalist who spends much of his time on the road
> either shooting for clients that have included Sony Music,
> the Gap and Lexus or collecting images for his Earth Pilgrim
> project:“For now, despite the obvious advantages of
> digital, my obsession with quality always draws me back to
> traditional means. I use medium or large format cameras, and
> still prefer platinum palladium printing for my images,
> which unfortunately cannot be appreciated over the
> Internet.”
>
> Nevada Weir
> Nevada Weir is a travel photographer whose images have
> appeared in National Geographic, Smithsonian and Geo, sold
> through Getty and Corbis, and appeared in nine photography
> books.
>
> Talking about Europe, there are a lot of photographers
> using film in Germany, France, Spain and other European
> countries, in the East specially, I couldn't write their
> names here, anyway some of the most important German
> photographers about cityscapes are using LF cameras with
> film, there was a significant exhibition about their work a
> few months ago in Buenos Aires city.
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
>
> --- El mar 25-ago-09, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> escribió:
>
> > It would not be a useless effort. I
> > just mentioned the photographers -
> > I- know, not the ones -you- know.
> > You wrote that you thought perhaps Europeans used
> more
> > analogue than
> > Americans. I think, based on my experience, and
> travelling
> > round the
> > world all the time, that this is very unlikely.
> > I have said nothing about quality, where we know each
> > other's opinion,
> > which are different.
> > Best regards,
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > On 24 Aug, 2009, at 22:42, Carlos Manuel Freaza
> wrote:
> >
> > > I guess that the labs work, and films and film
> cameras
> > and enlargers
> > > and lightmeters and similars are manufactured
> for
> > imaginary people,
> > > perhaps these things are made for ghosts and the
> > analog photographic
> > > equipment sold in e*** are for ghosts too :-)
> > > I could mention you a lot of LF and MF
> photographers
> > using film yet,
> > > some of them at Flickr too, but it would be an
> useless
> > effort.-
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > >
> > > --- El lun 24-ago-09, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I haven't seen a non-digital camera
> > >> here in Europe for years. The last
> > >> really good photographer I know who was
> still
> > using film
> > >> changed a
> > >> couple of years ago.
> > >> I know people who still use 5x4 (4x5 in
> USA:-))
> > for
> > >> landscape. One of
> > >> them even uses a fairly old digital camera as
> his
> > light
> > >> meter. He did
> > >> some experiments comparing the digital ands
> its
> > exposure
> > >> histogram to
> > >> film and subsequently used the digital
> pictures
> > and the
> > >> histogram of
> > >> them to evaluate his film exposure. He is a
> > master
> > >> photographer and I
> > >> thought this was very clever, it works well,
> and
> > -much-
> > >> more flexible
> > >> than a single cell light meter.
> > >> He can also use the jpgs from the digital on
> his
> > web site
> > >> to advertise
> > >> the originals.
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >> On 23 Aug, 2009, at 17:05, Carlos Manuel
> Freaza
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I think digital photography has to do
> with the
> > issue,
> > >> external flash
> > >>> reads could be interesting even if you
> have a
> > very
> > >> complete digital
> > >>> camera, perhaps Europeans still use more
> > analog
> > >> equipments than
> > >>> Americans.
> > >>>
> > >>> Carlos
> > >>>
> > >>> --- El dom 23-ago-09, Elias Roustom
> <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> escribió:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Digital F is easy to find, but the
> > >>>> other seems unavailable. Maybe
> > >>>> North Americans use flash more often
> than
> > >> Europeans?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Aug 23, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Carlos
> > Manuel Freaza
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The Gossen "Sixtomat Digital" is
> > called "Luna
> > >> Pro
> > >>>> Digital" in the
> > >>>>> States and the version to take
> flash
> > light
> > >> reads too
> > >>>> is called "Luna
> > >>>>> Pro Digital F"
> > >>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Gossen-GO4022-Luna-Pro-Digital-Light/dp/B0000AG939
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Carlos
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --- El dom 23-ago-09, Elias
> Roustom
> > <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> escribió:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> De: Elias Roustom <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> Asunto: [rollei_list] Re:
> Meter
> > Testing
> > >>>>>> Para: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>> Fecha: domingo, 23 de agosto
> de
> > 2009,
> > >> 11:52 am
> > >>>>>> Looks like a great meter -
> not
> > >>>>>> available from any of the
> on-line
> > >> merchants where
> > >>>> I would
> > >>>>>> expect to find it (in the
> U.S.).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Aug 23, 2009, at 5:00 AM,
> Niels
> > H. S.
> > >> Nielsen
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:15
> AM,
> > >>>>>> Elias Roustom <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> <snip> The question
> with
> > new
> > >>>>>> is whether I would miss the
> > needle, it's
> > >> great to
> > >>>> wave
> > >>>>>> meter up and down and see how
> far
> > the
> > >> needle moves
> > >>>> between
> > >>>>>> highlight and shadow.
> > <snip>
> > >>>>>> The Gossen
> > Sixtomat digitial
> > >> is
> > >>>> an
> > >>>>>> compact inexpensive option
> with
> > the
> > >> ability to
> > >>>> make a
> > >>>>>> continous reading and show
> the
> > aperture
> > >> range of
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>>> subject. I think the meter
> has
> > another
> > >> name in
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> US.
> > >>>>>> http://www.gossen-photo.de/english/foto_produkte.html?foto_sixtodigi..html,picts/navi_foto_sub_01_sixtodigi.gif
> > >>>>>> cheers
> > >>>>>> Niels
> > >>>>>>
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