[rollei_list] Re: Large Format film availability
- From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:40:58 -0400
This is correct. At this time, there is no better solution to digital
storage than multiple redundant HDs. Automation can creative more
routine and consistent monitoring/backups than human control...
Eric Goldstein
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On 5/1/08, Jeff Kelley <jlkphoto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The multiple hard drive idea is probably more archival than any "burnable"
> media but it seems all these ideas require human intervention over time.
> Therefore, chances are very high that the archived data will eventually be
> lost. Hard drives sitting unused for decades will not retain all their bits
> and bytes. Someone HAS to periodically transfer data to current media or it
> will be lost....
>
> Besides, protocols, interfaces, other hardware and software will all change
> over time to the point that our children's children would have to find a
> "tech museum" to access most data that is still readable on ancient storage
> media.
>
> I'm not aware of any current way of making a truly archival copy of any
> digital media. In fact I'll bet my next paycheck that the aliens who
> finally stumble across the 12-inch gold-plated copper disk on the Voyager
> spacecraft will probably play Frizbee with it vs. reading any data from it.
>
> Richard, thanks for the details on the LP world. I still have 300-400 LPs
> that sound pretty good.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Austin Franklin
> <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > I'd say hard drives (even if you burn two) would not be very archival.
> They
> > still have an MTBF that is pretty low, and they don't necessarily last
> well
> > over time even if unused.
> >
> > I'm curious why you think this (meaning that a pair of hard drives would
> be
> > even remotely archival) and what info you base your comment on.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Austin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hard drives used in pairs. No burnable media is in any way close to
> > > "reasonable" or archival.
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric Goldstein
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > On 5/1/08, Allen Zak <azak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Are there any media that offer "reasonable," if not archival,
> > > longevity for
> > > > digital files? Although I have some respect for posterity, in about
> 20
> > > > years I expect to have little or no involvement in it, anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Allen Zak
> > > >
> > > > On May 1, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Jeff Kelley wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I guarantee the claims are marketing hype. I worked for
> > > years at Sony as
> > > > an Application Engineer and Software Engineer during the
> > > beginning days of
> > > > CDROM. This was when the first 1X burners were tens of
> > > thousands of dollars
> > > > and the gold blanks were $25 to $35 EACH. They kept the blanks
> > > locked in a
> > > > metal cabinet & kept close tabs on them ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > I've had state of the art, lab quality CDs that were rated at
> > > 100 years +
> > > > die in less than 3 years. I've seen the same quality discs
> > > unreadable on a
> > > > second machine within seconds of burning them. And so on....
> > > > >
> > > > > CDROMS and DVD media are NOT archival backups. Period.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Eric Goldstein
> > > <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This is inaccurate information. Those claims arr marketing hype.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric Goldstein
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/1/08, Mark Rabiner <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > Those more expensive gold DVD's are supposed to be ok though.
> > > > > > > I'm getting those.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark William Rabiner
> > > > > > > markrabiner.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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