Look Austin,It's very important that Carlos be "right". Please say he is so we can get on with it. Surely you are big enough to suck it up and let it go - goes for you too Carlos. Jeez!
Rob On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:01 AM, CarlosMFreaza wrote:
Hi Austin: It's a fact you and Eric did not explain the point clearly, and since I was thinking on the DOF as percentage of the distance to the subject, I was right. I always had a practical knowledge on the point, it can be expressed differently, I finally got it from your point of view, as I wrote, I suddenly noticed what you were talking about, I "saw" your point, but I learnt nothing. I'm not spending energy since I understand the point perfectly and from different point of views. Carlos 2009/11/13, Austin Franklin <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>:Hi Carlos,You really are spending an awful lot of energy trying to convince someone,more so your self, that you weren't wrong. You were. Regards, Austin-----Original Message----- From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of CarlosMFreaza Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 10:35 AM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: DOF (was Re: Rolleiflex 35mm Cameras) And it is not _purely_ a function of aperture, if you think DOF as percentage, this is a statement from one of the website you quoted: "..depth of field, expressed as a percentage of the distance to thesubject (Total DOF/s %), is inversely proportional to focal length. Itcan be very small for long telephoto lenses..." Carlos 2009/11/13, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:I'd say that I learnt nothing Eric. Carlos 2009/11/13, Eric Goldstein <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>:Hi Carlos - Here is my original statement:It can be argued that DOF is purely a function of apertureand not FL.I'm glad you were able to learn something useful from this discussion.Eric Goldstein -- On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:24 AM, CarlosMFreaza<cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Yes Eric; BTW, I interpret the last part of Richardexplanation: "Allthis given for a constant distance from the subjects" that the difference for the lenses focal length has been cancelledchanging thefocusing distance to the subject. It's very easy to findthe equal DOFfor two different lenses changing the lens FL parameter and theSubject focusing distance parameter using a DOF calculator keeping identical the COC, frame size and aperture, this was the confusingpart (to me) of your original statement because since I'mchanging thefocusing distance to equal the DOF for two different FL, Icould thinkthat the DOF is a subject focusing distance function. Carlos 2009/11/13, Eric Goldstein <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>:Our Richard should be writing and teaching... he has theknack for clarity.Eric Goldstein -- On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:59 AM, CarlosMFreaza<cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Yes, I agree absolutely, if Richard explained DOF thatway from thebeginning, the point would be clear to me from thebeginning too, it'sa knowledge that you learn using DOF calculators andcameras-lensesDOF indicators.- Carlos 2009/11/13 Eric Goldstein <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>:Yes. This was covered in the links I provided, but notexpressed sosimply and elegantly. Eric Goldstein -- On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Richard Knoppow<dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Goldstein"<egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:30 AM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rolleiflex 35mm Cameras It is. Another interesting discussion relative toaperture, DOF andperceived sharpness: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/dof2.shtml Eric Goldstein Depth of field/depth of focus can be defined aseither the amount ofdefocusing that produces a constant size circle ofconfusion or for a circleof confusion which is a constant percentage of focallength. When the firstdefinition is used the depth depends only on thephysical size of theaperture. Thus it will be the same for a 100mm lens atf/2.8 as for a 200mmlens at f/5.6. Where the image from the shorter lensis magnified to equalthe image from the larger lens the DOF will beconstant with f/stop. Allthis given for a constant distance from the subjects. -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ------ Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list--- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org- Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list
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