[roc-chat] Re: Suggestions for ROC and youth groups
- From: Kurt Gugisberg <kurtgug@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:20:51 -0700
Adrian,
I don't know if anyone has replied to you but as far as helping goes, and
this goes for anyone out there that would like to get involved in the club,
you can help on the day of the launch by volunteering at the LCO/RSO/Pad
manager area. These seem to be the toughest positions to get people to
help with so most of the time it is only a few of the same people that
stand out there for half a day, without relief, launching rockets for
everyone else. I think the best way to get over the fear of doing these
jobs is to go up there when it isn't too busy and watch what they are doing
and asking to assist them. Once you figure it out, it is fun and easy.
Another easy job is at registration. You can really get to know the people
coming to the launch here.
And finally, setup and tear down of the range.
A good day of volunteering would be to help set up or tear down the range
and take a two hour shift at the launch tables. If we get enough
volunteers, then we could get everyone to do and hour. So for those out
there that hesitate to help, please step up and ask to help. Nobody on
the Board of Directors likes to beg for help so don't be afraid to ask what
you can do at the launch.
Kurt
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Adrian P. Bailey <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> All, I was very pleased to find ROC! I’ve volunteered in other, similar
> groups, although nothing remotely connected with rocketry (e.g. I’m the
> website admin for my son’s school’s PTA this year). So I’m familiar with
> the different turns volunteer groups take, and the pressures they face.
> Please let me know how I can help.
>
>
>
> *From:* roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *R Dierking
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:10 PM
> *To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [roc-chat] Re: Suggestions for ROC and youth groups
>
>
>
> I've decided to support the event regardless if it's 'my way' or not. I
> will not be sour grapes. I encourage other people to support ROCtober and
> make it a success.
>
> And, I challenge any two people (except for Mike and Payton because I'm
> not crazy) to volunteer for more hours on Saturday than me. If you do, you
> can dump one of those ice buckets on me Sunday morning.
>
> Richard Dierking
>
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>
> From: adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Suggestions for ROC and youth groups
> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:02:51 -0700
>
> > Originally, the event was called "ROCtoberfest." <
>
>
>
> Interesting. I would have been more likely to attend ROCtoberfest with my
> son than ROCstock if I had any concerns about what might be served… ;)
>
>
>
> I’m only just getting to know the club and will do what I can to help.
> ROCtober weekend is tricky for us due to work commitments and as we also
> want to go to the JPL Open House one day.
>
>
>
> *From:* roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *R Dierking
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2014 2:41 PM
> *To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [roc-chat] Re: Suggestions for ROC and youth groups
>
>
>
> Before Rick hits the button to send me to 'vacation mode.' JK, JK, JK
>
> I like all the ideas for handling youth groups. Thank you for not saying
> that the kids are our future. I think we all got that. Many, in fact most
> of us I think, have similar stories. Which is kind of cool.
>
> Anyway, we differ on the approach to ROCtober and by the way, initially I
> thought the same as you; an event just for youth groups.
>
> Here's a bit of trivia for some. Originally, the event was called
> "ROCtoberfest." I changed the name (w/o Board approval btw) because I kept
> getting messages from Scout leaders and parents concerned that we were
> going to be serving beer. No kidding.
> Hum, maybe we...
>
> I think it's great to help youth groups, but it should be a good time for
> everyone. We do a lot every month to help others, so why have a month
> just to serve? Other people should be able to enjoy and fly their rockets
> in October. ROCtobers have become overwhelming for people that would like
> to help. There are fewer people helping over the last couple of years and
> yet the number of youth seems to be growing. At the first ROCtober, every
> shift was filled for the event. So, what happened?
>
> So, again, why not place a cap on the number for ROCtober based on
> available help? If it does well, the number stays the same. 'Well'
> meaning everyone seemed to have a good time. If it does *really well*,
> the cap can go up. And, if it's not so hot, the number needs to go down.
>
> There has to be a balance between being a club and the enjoyment of the
> members and visitors and the service part of the organization.
>
> It's not right to volunteer someone else. They can do that themselves.
> So, don't create a month when you have to be a volunteer.
>
> Richard Dierking
>
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>
> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:15:34 -0700
> From: kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [roc-chat] Suggestions for ROC and youth groups
>
> so, here is my thoughts on youth groups and ROC
>
> Mike Kramer’s suggestions for groups going forward
>
> 1) ROCtober
>
> I think we should keep it like the event that it has been but take the
> approach, ROCtober is the time we give back and ‘Provide a service to the
> community’ the remainder of the year we ‘accommodate the community’. I
> have a number of detailed suggestions on ROCtober that I will post
> separately. We should charge enough that ROCtober pays for its own cost at
> least.
>
> All the other suggestions I have are for launches *OTHER than ROCtober *
>
> 2) Groups, to get the group rate, the groups need to do ALL of the
> following:
>
> a. Reserve at least 1 week in advance
>
> b. Strongly recommend that an adult member of the group come up to a
> launch before the time they have scheduled *OR *have a ROC volunteer go
> visit the group *OR* have someone from ROC vouch for the group, this
> would be the case for groups that have come up multiple times.
>
> c. Have a single adult leader from the group identified as the
> onsite contact
>
> d. Have a member of ROC assigned as the group helper for that group,
> if no one will agree to sign up for this, tell the group we can’t give them
> the group rate.
>
> e. Give each ‘youth’ 2 tickets to launch, each ticket is good for a
> launch after their tickets are used up, they would be able to a launch ONLY
> when there isn’t a significant wait as determined by LCO. This keeps groups
> from clogging things up when it is busy. If they pay full they can launch
> like everyone else. MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR TO THE GROUPS.
>
> f. Provide an adult volunteer for a minimum of 1 shift for smaller
> groups, multiple shifts for larger groups.
>
> 3) Groups that just show up pay the full adult rate. MAKE THIS VERY
> CLEAR on the website, plus set a date when the policy goes into place.
>
> 4) TARC at launches, the TARC groups usually take a long time
> getting set up at the pad. This is ok, but to keep the ‘flow going’ set up
> a single or possibly two pads, separate from the regular launch pads, have
> their own controller placed at the RSO station. This can be a VERY basic
> launcher, light weight and small (see item 5 for more details). Let the
> TARC teams fly for free or just the lowest youth rate.
>
> 5) Loaner Pads, I think we should make a few ‘loaner pads and
> controllers’ for TARC teams, I would be happy to do a build party for
> these. Use them as loaner pads / launchers for groups that want to launch
> at the lakebed without ROC. Since TARC are model rockets I think they can
> launch at the lakebed without a Cal Pyro or a waiver (someone check me on
> this), I’m not sure about BLM.
>
> 6) Youth Helpers / Groups Helping out
>
> I have always liked this idea, we just need to make sure that what we are
> doing is safe and legal. Some of the groups have consistently been great
> to work with CAP is one that comes to mind, plus there have been some GREAT
> younger volunteers. We just need to (IMO) think about the implications of
> a LCO under 18 launching a high powered rocket.
>
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